why Is Buj scummy? I just got done a game with him and a skim of his iso seems similar enough that no red flags are raised for me. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’d like to hear your thought process
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:13 am
by Shoshin
mcqueen, do you have any other thoughts on the game?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:01 am
by Extrapolated Eagle
In post 873, DrDolittle wrote:Not reading and making wild accusations is pretty scummy, EE
Where am I not reading?
I disagree on your second point depending on context. What do you think RVS is?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:13 am
by Shoshin
Buj says he scumreads me because I'm "assigning reads based on who agrees/disagrees with me about the self-vote" (see 403 & 752). To make this argument, Buj distorts or ignores the vast majority of my reads.
For starters, Buj thinks I scumread EE when I didn't. He thinks I townread Vedith because he agreed with me about the self-vote even though I've already explained that I townread Vedith based on his "progression" from attacking me to defending me. He's ignoring the fact that I scumread Alisae even though Alisae agreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread Grapes even though Grapes disagreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread FA even though she disagreed with me about the self-vote. And he's ignoring the fact that I didn't initially scumread him even though he disagreed with me about the self-vote.
I hold Buj to a much higher standard than this as town, which is why I'm scumreading him now. Buj usually has very good reads as town. He reads carefully. He doesn't get basic facts wrong. If Buj keeps scumreading me after this, we need to lynch him.
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:16 am
by Shoshin
In post 560, DoubtingThomas wrote:Pvt had a neutral stance which often comes from town cuz town doesnt want to make a ruckus
Eagle, why aren't you suspicious of DT for this reasoning?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:28 am
by Shoshin
DT, I know you're annoyed that I don't respond to your questions directly. I want you to know that your questions were in fact answered. You asked me multiple times where my "head" was at. I responded by posting in the thread, showing you where it was directed (at the time, not you). I didn't respond to your other questions directly but answers were provided in the thread. I tell you this so that you don't ignore my questions:
What's your read on Buj?
What do you think of Eagle's townread on Buj?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:48 am
by mcqueen
In post 877, Shoshin wrote:mcqueen, do you have any other thoughts on the game?
Jingle’s pretty obvtown
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:51 am
by mcqueen
In post 879, Shoshin wrote:Buj says he scumreads me because I'm "assigning reads based on who agrees/disagrees with me about the self-vote" (see 403 & 752). To make this argument, Buj distorts or ignores the vast majority of my reads.
For starters, Buj thinks I scumread EE when I didn't. He thinks I townread Vedith because he agreed with me about the self-vote even though I've already explained that I townread Vedith based on his "progression" from attacking me to defending me. He's ignoring the fact that I scumread Alisae even though Alisae agreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread Grapes even though Grapes disagreed with me about the self-vote. He's ignoring the fact that I townread FA even though she disagreed with me about the self-vote. And he's ignoring the fact that I didn't initially scumread him even though he disagreed with me about the self-vote.
I hold Buj to a much higher standard than this as town, which is why I'm scumreading him now. Buj usually has very good reads as town. He reads carefully. He doesn't get basic facts wrong. If Buj keeps scumreading me after this, we need to lynch him.
Not gonna agree with the “he usually has really good reads as town”. No offense, and while he’s not bad, I think based on my limited experience with him you’re giving him a lot of credit he probably wouldn’t fulfill as either alignment.
Any chance he genuinely believes his statements despites their wrongness? I’ll re iso him and you later
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:21 am
by Shoshin
I'm not saying his reads are perfect but they're more accurate than people give him credit for and they're definitely more thoughtful than this.
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:56 am
by Jingle
I do not oppose Buj pressure.
I endorse PVT pressure.
I haven't had enough time to look over EE, and I probably won't do so today. I am outright admitting that his accusation of responding back without really considering his argument is true though, FWIW.
anyhow you asked me where you are not reading and making wild accusations.
I noted your case on Vedith included a post-by-post why its scum. One of the post as Vedith called out was completely irrelevant and a joke between him and me, and was posted less than 24hr in a game. This feels more like scum tunnel, where scum bite down into a mislynch and then go back to look for supporting evidence no matter how relevant, rather than looking for scummy clues to identify scum.
At least that reminds me of something I do that when I'm scum so.
I haven't had enough time to look over EE, and I probably won't do so today. I am outright admitting that his accusation of responding back without really considering his argument is true though, FWIW.
pvt hasnt posted in 2 days. is it worth it put pressure on someone who isnt even here?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:11 am
by DrDolittle
In post 884, Shoshin wrote:I'm not saying his reads are perfect but they're more accurate than people give him credit for and they're definitely more thoughtful than this.
^ This. + Buj's first couple of post are "thoughtful" discussions of largely irrelevant topics to scumhunting that he isn't really even a part of
In post 881, Shoshin wrote:DT, I know you're annoyed that I don't respond to your questions directly. I want you to know that your questions were in fact answered. You asked me multiple times where my "head" was at. I responded by posting in the thread, showing you where it was directed (at the time, not you). I didn't respond to your other questions directly but answers were provided in the thread. I tell you this so that you don't ignore my questions:
What's your read on Buj?
What do you think of Eagle's townread on Buj?
Okay, I will appreciate it if you can address me and communicate with me directly because I often look for more than a simple 'answer' when I ask questions. I want to look at your tone/attitude/understanding of my questions and those help me read your slot as well.
Wrt Buj, I haven't been up to date with all his posts, because I have been more or less tunneled on to you and focused on other players. I remember though he had a weird post (like EE pointed out) about how he knew me from another account but only actually played 1 game with me?
I also feel like he hasn't had a strong opinion besides a scum read on you. I don't understand why he's being a top wagon over my scum reads or other players who seem less impactful (like Karmeleon).
