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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:47 pm
by CheekyTeeky


No. If that were the case I would've said mastina is LHF.

Why mastina?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:50 pm
by CheekyTeeky
In post 654, NerfedBuJ wrote:I think I scumread deb after the claim more
In post 655, NerfedBuJ wrote:Still though something is just off with this whole day 1 in terms of wagons.
In post 780, NerfedBuJ wrote:Well done DEB you saved a bunch of scummy slots from getting lynched.
Buj while you're here can you talk about your read progression on DEB D1?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:11 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 875, CheekyTeeky wrote:No. If that were the case I would've said mastina is LHF.

Why mastina?
Then what makes it opportunistic.. there's no wagon on mastina and you don't think she's LHF.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:12 pm
by NerfedBuJ
I explained my read on her.
My most comfortable posts as scum are when I can be totally honest.
I am projecting that on mastina.

It's a way to appear innocent when you're actually just not solving because you're scum.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:16 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 876, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 654, NerfedBuJ wrote:I think I scumread deb after the claim more
In post 655, NerfedBuJ wrote:Still though something is just off with this whole day 1 in terms of wagons.
In post 780, NerfedBuJ wrote:Well done DEB you saved a bunch of scummy slots from getting lynched.
Buj while you're here can you talk about your read progression on DEB D1?

I felt he was kind of scummy.

Then I started to think he isn't very scummy just anti town playstyle.

Then a weird wagon formed on him which solidifed my maybe he's town read.

Then he made a fake sounding claim, which made me hesitate.

But then I still went back to nulltown. He got himself lynched which was the most anti-town thing he could have done because he was so scummy people killed him instead of actual scum so I called him out on it.

But it's flipless maybe we did get lucky and lynch scum, atm though I just think it's far more probable that he was town.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:17 pm
by Arkham Asylum
VOTE: NerfedBuj

Buj, would you be approaching this game differently if you were scum? Who would you be going after?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:17 pm
by Arkham Asylum
VOTE: Mastina

Whoops

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:18 pm
by NerfedBuJ
I don't really know probably someone I don't know

Or maybe FL

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:19 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 881, Arkham Asylum wrote:VOTE: Mastina

Whoops
This changes the meaning of the post above kinda..

Do you scumread me or not?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:22 pm
by Arkham Asylum
Well, I have my concerns, my other heads think you're easy town.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:23 pm
by NerfedBuJ
And you're nancy?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:24 pm
by CheekyTeeky
In post 877, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 875, CheekyTeeky wrote:No. If that were the case I would've said mastina is LHF.

Why mastina?
Then what makes it opportunistic.. there's no wagon on mastina and you don't think she's LHF.
I find it difficult to believe after your concern surrounding the DEB wagon that your top scumread is mastina. I feel like town you should be more concerned or at least follow up on the VCA to look for scum.

Generally mastina is not LHF but here she's done nothing AI either way. She's indicated she wants to die so it seems like a convenient push for scum with little resistance.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:24 pm
by Arkham Asylum
In post 885, NerfedBuJ wrote:And you're nancy?
No.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:25 pm
by NerfedBuJ
I think that's the head that stopped signing.. i dunno I can't keep up with those details.

What do you think of chickadee?
One time she pushed creature and I scumread her for that and she flopped scum.

But she has terrible luck and is like always sick when I'm in a game with her so I really have very little experience playing with her despite us appearing in maybe 4 games together

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:26 pm
by Arkham Asylum
I think Chick is town. What do you think of Cheeky?
Cheeky am I still pocketing you?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:27 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 886, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 877, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 875, CheekyTeeky wrote:No. If that were the case I would've said mastina is LHF.

Why mastina?
Then what makes it opportunistic.. there's no wagon on mastina and you don't think she's LHF.
I find it difficult to believe after your concern surrounding the DEB wagon that your top scumread is mastina. I feel like town you should be more concerned or at least follow up on the VCA to look for scum.

Generally mastina is not LHF but here she's done nothing AI either way. She's indicated she wants to die so it seems like a convenient push for scum with little resistance.

I don't have to do one or the other. I can do both.

Besides that's a big wagon and even if all scum were on it it's still not the greatest odds compared to how strongly I feel about this gutread.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:28 pm
by NerfedBuJ
In post 889, Arkham Asylum wrote:I think Chick is town. What do you think of Cheeky?
Cheeky am I still pocketing you?
Cheeky was my first confident townread in the game.

I'm less sure now that she is doubting my alignment.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:29 pm
by NerfedBuJ
Not enough to drop the townread though.. her explanation is reasonable.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:30 pm
by CheekyTeeky
In post 879, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 876, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 654, NerfedBuJ wrote:I think I scumread deb after the claim more
In post 655, NerfedBuJ wrote:Still though something is just off with this whole day 1 in terms of wagons.
In post 780, NerfedBuJ wrote:Well done DEB you saved a bunch of scummy slots from getting lynched.
Buj while you're here can you talk about your read progression on DEB D1?

I felt he was kind of scummy.

Then I started to think he isn't very scummy just anti town playstyle.

Then a weird wagon formed on him which solidifed my maybe he's town read.

Then he made a fake sounding claim, which made me hesitate.

But then I still went back to nulltown. He got himself lynched which was the most anti-town thing he could have done because he was so scummy people killed him instead of actual scum so I called him out on it.

But it's flipless maybe we did get lucky and lynch scum, atm though I just think it's far more probable that he was town.
This seems like a natural progression except the time frame between the posts, how can your mind chance so much with nothing happening to provoke the change?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:31 pm
by Arkham Asylum
I wish scumboi would share his notes already.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:32 pm
by CheekyTeeky
In post 891, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 889, Arkham Asylum wrote:I think Chick is town. What do you think of Cheeky?
Cheeky am I still pocketing you?
Cheeky was my first confident townread in the game.

I'm less sure now that she is doubting my alignment.
This is almost too scummy to be scum. Buj I'd expect you'd be more weary if I townread you seeing as I find you scummy in pretty much every game. In fact I'll dig up some meta because I may have just caught you.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:33 pm
by Arkham Asylum
I think Dann may be scum.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:34 pm
by CheekyTeeky
In post 889, Arkham Asylum wrote:I think Chick is town. What do you think of Cheeky?
Cheeky am I still pocketing you?
No? Iirc I thought that was an RVS joke.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:35 pm
by Arkham Asylum
:( :(

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:36 pm
by NerfedBuJ
CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 879, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 876, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 654, NerfedBuJ wrote:I think I scumread deb after the claim more
In post 655, NerfedBuJ wrote:Still though something is just off with this whole day 1 in terms of wagons.
In post 780, NerfedBuJ wrote:Well done DEB you saved a bunch of scummy slots from getting lynched.
Buj while you're here can you talk about your read progression on DEB D1?

I felt he was kind of scummy.

Then I started to think he isn't very scummy just anti town playstyle.

Then a weird wagon formed on him which solidifed my maybe he's town read.

Then he made a fake sounding claim, which made me hesitate.

But then I still went back to nulltown. He got himself lynched which was the most anti-town thing he could have done because he was so scummy people killed him instead of actual scum so I called him out on it.

But it's flipless maybe we did get lucky and lynch scum, atm though I just think it's far more probable that he was town.
This seems like a natural progression except the time frame between the posts, how can your mind chance so much with nothing happening to provoke the change?
I dunno? Probably some combination of mental state at the time, forcing myself to come up with more reads as I felt I didn't have much, not being happy with the gamestate, etc?

I don't know if it's actually true, like I haven't analyzed my games to that depth but my reads are generally more accurate day 1 and near endgame than the middle of the game. Middle of the game they get diluted by paranoia and WIFOM. So I don't feel comfortable when a day 1 does not generate as many solid reads as I would hope/expect.