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[Alisae]

like the timing of Luca's vote is so fucking awful
CAN WE LYNCH HIM ALREADY

[Billy Pilgrim]

It's the lack of vote despite Luca scumreading Datisi? Ali is this what you mean as well?

It's that coupled with the overall fence sitting. Early on he's making reads, but he's leaving himself ways out of them. It's like he's looking for someone else to sign off. It's like he doesn't want to be out on his own. I get that we were all confused in the early game, but it came off that he didn't want to be pinned down to anything. Like if you asked for clarification he could easily revise it. When Ali had clipped those earlier posts of his it was fresh in my mind, so seeing the way he joined the Datisi wagon when he had been shading and shading and scum reading and then it was a wagon and he could join, it felt scummy.

[Iconeum]

I do the same thing as town sometimes tho. Sort someone, build a read and end up scumreading them voting there 'overdue'

[Luca Blight]

@Luca
I recall you mentioning somewhere that you also felt it was natural to vote for your SR once the wagon on them started building up?

Yes, that is true. Is it not natural? Why as Town would I refrain from voting there?

[Datisi]

It feels more natural for Town to vote right away. Your biggest SR just made an awful case on why you're scum? You vote first, ask questions later.

[Luca Blight]

Billy, you’re holding the fact that I was unsure of my very early reads against me? I think I’ve been in the same boat as most in this game in that I’ve had many Townread and few good scumreads. The further the game has progressed the more sure of my reads I’ve become, and I have expressed this.

[Luca Blight]

It feels more natural for Town to vote right away. Your biggest SR just made an awful case on why you're scum? You vote first, ask questions later.

Remember, at this time you still weren’t that big of a scumread; it was only after this episode (after I had time to digest what had occurred) that that was the case.

[Alisae]

It's the lack of vote despite Luca scumreading Datisi? Ali is this what you mean as well?

It's that coupled with the overall fence sitting. Early on he's making reads, but he's leaving himself ways out of them. It's like he's looking for someone else to sign off. It's like he doesn't want to be out on his own. I get that we were all confused in the early game, but it came off that he didn't want to be pinned down to anything. Like if you asked for clarification he could easily revise it. When Ali had clipped those earlier posts of his it was fresh in my mind, so seeing the way he joined the Datisi wagon when he had been shading and shading and scum reading and then it was a wagon and he could join, it felt scummy.

omg this is literally how i was reading the game when i was reading it

[Alisae]

I think I even mentioned thats what I was reading too 1 sec

[Alisae]

Luca - His whole ISO sucks. Nothing in there is actually substanial at all. All of his reads come across as making stuff up on the fly (a lot of times when he is talking about a read, he gives himself room for said read to go either way). He's not really taking any risks and is in general playing really safe. I really want to see Luca go after something instead of just do nothing. Because a lot of what his ISO is nothing. And anything that like, remotely looks like analysis is really surface level stuff.

[Alisae]

before I was in the game Luca had around 46 posts
he has made 50+ posts since then
most of those consists of him continuing to do nothing and me fucking with him

[Alisae]

Icon what's your tchill read?

[Billy Pilgrim]

Billy, is my explanation for the timing of my vote believable to you; that I was multi-tasking and phone-posting at the time of the Datisi pressure (I’m clearly not making this bit up as I mentioned it just prior to the drama) and then proceeded to vote the following day when I had digested what had happened and had computer access to properly review what had occurred?

It's believable, but I don't think it makes it better. She was already your top scumlean 224. Then from 345 through to 357 you are building your scum read up, and even quoting old posts (I only play on mobile so I know that that shit is hard). So I don't know how mobile posting excuses you not voting based on conviction when you can build a case and quote history. Then the post immediately before you vote Datisi, you shade Icon for hopping off, and then he hops on 2 posts later after saying he never left the SR of Datisi. Honestly your defense about multitasking and mobile posting may make it worse. Even if it's true, why would that impact your ability to vote your read?

[Alisae]

dam
these are some good posts dude

[Alisae]

Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something

[Luca Blight]

At the time the drama unfolded (where I was expected to have voted Datisi) I was looking after my two year old in a public playground while typing on my phone, hence I was barely able to keep up with the live developments at the time. Is it so hard to believe that under such circumstances I would rather wait until getting on a computer before making sense of what had just happened? As I stated earlier, I try to play the game on a logical level and don’t tend to make rash decisions unless there’s good reason to.

[Alisae]

yes I find it hard to believe that you didn't see Datisi's vote and think "wow, if I really think this vote is super scummy, I should probably just vote it right away because thats exactly what my natural instincts would do"

[Alisae]

thats not even rash
there's no such thing as rash voting unless the person you want to vote is at L-1 and you accidentally hammered them
Datisi wasn't even close to that point

[Luca Blight]

Billy, is my explanation for the timing of my vote believable to you; that I was multi-tasking and phone-posting at the time of the Datisi pressure (I’m clearly not making this bit up as I mentioned it just prior to the drama) and then proceeded to vote the following day when I had digested what had happened and had computer access to properly review what had occurred?

It's believable, but I don't think it makes it better. She was already your top scumlean 224. Then from 345 through to 357 you are building your scum read up, and even quoting old posts (I only play on mobile so I know that that shit is hard). So I don't know how mobile posting excuses you not voting based on conviction when you can build a case and quote history. Then the post immediately before you vote Datisi, you shade Icon for hopping off, and then he hops on 2 posts later after saying he never left the SR of Datisi. Honestly your defense about multitasking and mobile posting may make it worse. Even if it's true, why would that impact your ability to vote your read?

I’m not a robot where I make optimal play after optimal play. I don’t know what more I can do to explain this situation but I feel I’ve done my best here. Regarding the mobile, I’m not used to playing on it (especially while multi-tasking) so I tend to save the longer winded stuff until I can write it up properly.

I wasn’t shading Icon - I was genuinely wondering why he had seemingly changed his mind at the time - he answered it, I moved on.

[Luca Blight]

And as I’ve said a hundred times, the conviction came after i had digested what had happened, not before.

[Alisae]

Billy, is my explanation for the timing of my vote believable to you; that I was multi-tasking and phone-posting at the time of the Datisi pressure (I’m clearly not making this bit up as I mentioned it just prior to the drama) and then proceeded to vote the following day when I had digested what had happened and had computer access to properly review what had occurred?

It's believable, but I don't think it makes it better. She was already your top scumlean 224. Then from 345 through to 357 you are building your scum read up, and even quoting old posts (I only play on mobile so I know that that shit is hard). So I don't know how mobile posting excuses you not voting based on conviction when you can build a case and quote history. Then the post immediately before you vote Datisi, you shade Icon for hopping off, and then he hops on 2 posts later after saying he never left the SR of Datisi. Honestly your defense about multitasking and mobile posting may make it worse. Even if it's true, why would that impact your ability to vote your read?

I’m not a robot where I make optimal play after optimal play. I don’t know what more I can do to explain this situation but I feel I’ve done my best here. Regarding the mobile, I’m not used to playing on it (especially while multi-tasking) so I tend to save the longer winded stuff until I can write it up properly.

I wasn’t shading Icon - I was genuinely wondering why he had seemingly changed his mind at the time - he answered it, I moved on.

you are so full of shit

[Luca Blight]

And yet everything I’ve said is consistent and has been backed-up.

[Alisae]

And yet everything I’ve said is consistent and has been backed-up.

this an actual scumclaim

[Billy Pilgrim]

Billy, you’re holding the fact that I was unsure of my very early reads against me? I think I’ve been in the same boat as most in this game in that I’ve had many Townread and few good scumreads. The further the game has progressed the more sure of my reads I’ve become, and I have expressed this.

It's not about the unsureness of your reads. We all had that. It was that the unsureness of your reads was coupled with this seeming desire to have someone else commit to them before you would. I get that the early game reads were unsure. But I find it hard to believe that your posts in the 350 range reflected a lack of "sure-ness.". And given how that played out, it felt like you were still waiting on someone else to sign off.

[Luca Blight]

If you notice, I’ve not had to pause to think amongst this barrage of questioning and accusation, and yet everything I’ve said has been fully supported and consistent with what I’ve said previously. How is this possible? Because I’m being honest with what I’m saying.