On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[The Searchers]

VOTE: Despair Nights

[Equitable Androids]

VOTE: Spiffybringer

Latias town read is a really easy one to fabricate as well as weasel out of. I don't think a horrible ISO is disregarded just because someone is talking about inning an event.

I don't think Spiffeh reacts to me like he does as scum. I'd expect outright buddying or outright hostile.

~Titus

[Spiffybringer]

@SC Can you still talk to me about your individual spiffy read?

I mean he called pops the greatest evil of this world or something, but i didn't see them ACTUALLY voting or pushing the slot in any way, so... i don't see a particular reason for scumreading spiffy there, so, what else am i missing? Do you think smol is town enough to not have anyone scumreading him? Just trying to understand your trajectory to spiffy

-Farkran

~Spiffy

[Despair Night]

If that is insomnia l think you should be aware of the fact that my early reads can change on a dime based on Titus v. Alisae?

~Spiffy

Why should I be aware of that? You died N1, I replaced D2. Didn't even read your posts, Titus mentioned you having a scum lean on RR so I double'd down on it.

~som

[Despair Night]

I think all the Imperium town reads are a little premature based on what they've provided so far? I'm hoping once Tammy gets more of a foothold on the game I can get a solid read there.

~Spiffy

Who was town reading them? Except for Hectic.

~som

[Superb Subtlety]

It's event time!

This event will have 8 players.
Please /in to event on your main account.
Also, please remember all event related rules.

[insomnia]

/in

[Ausuka]

/in

[insomnia]

It's like they just want me to get the vig shot, i dunno

[Spiffybringer]

Whoops, you're right, I misremembered when you replaced in

~Spiffy

[Datisi]

/in

[Equitable Androids]

Is the sum of what I dislike in discussing all validities of claims, so what warrants a vote on this slot?

-yang

While fakes are possible, the intent should be to look through what the slot does. I faked a PR twice. Once as town. Ironically, it was Hectic's restriction. The game was Borderlands mafia. Wound up eating a nightkill early despite the PR. So I am not sorting if it's real but what he does with it. Right now, I strongly lean Hectic town.

~Titus

[xofelf]

/in

[John Cena]

/in

[Chemist1422]

/in

[Pink Ball]

/in

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

The event prizes kind of suck.

-Mikoto

[Titus]

/in

*prays for fast event or long docket*

No one else seems to be on.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@Mod:

Can you add doc shots to the prize list?

-Mikoto

[Spiffybringer]

You feel better about titus after she makes a deliberate point to pocket you? :3

-JC

Coming off of Titus v. Alisae I expect town!Titus to engage me immediately and want to sort me as soon as possible so we can get a similar thing going that we had there. She did this.

I would expect scum!Titus to be a little more carefree/standoffish of me because she would know I'd be looking for the same thing and would want to avoid me figuring her out.

~Spiffy

[Hectic]

[The Searchers]

Here's my wall with the formatting mostly fixed.

439 not really AI from Imperium
SC

I concur with this.

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

Nah it was SirCakez, but he's kinda right in away. Actually, my gut reaction is to say that the post is more likely to come from scum since it takes the AtE angle and is also confusing in that it uses many words but doesn't say anything. That being said, I acknowledge that I tend to over-scumread that stuff so it balances out to NAI.

I'd believe that Tammy and Hectic aren't scum together lol

-JC

Thank you for knowing it was me!

The reason why I mentioned Ircher there is because of his reaction to my opening post. I don't think I've played with Ircher? Or not enough to recognize the name I don't think. Anyway if this is Ircher, he's trying to claim some kind of understanding about how I play, which would mean that there's no way he doesn't like my opening posts. People who don't know me usually hate my opening posts whereas people who do know me, probably still hate my opening posts, but know that's just me and ignore it. So if it's ircher then the two reactions make no sense and that's a problem.

You're reading into it too much. That's not what I am doing at all. And you are right, I do not have any experience with you and do not know how you play.

Tammy is the only older player that I’m like “Damn, that Tam gonna catch me like Wham!!”

~Ferrari

why does this read like it was meant for scum pt lol?

-JC

I thought the same, but if Ferrari is Flavor Leaf, it seems like something he'd do as either alignment.

Okay, so I haven't read anything yet. What's there to know?

-Tree

Hectic can only post images Day 1. Despair Night is scum.

I like the tree. They’re my first town read.

~FordVsFierri

This is a joke, right?

VOTE: flavor leaf

New best day 1 lynch lol

-JC

Bad vote. Next.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

Aren't they in the same hydra. That sounds a bit rigged.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

I mean doing nothing but sniping event spaces is like hyperscummy LOL

-JC

Do you want me to post what I have written so far? That's messier. I've done nothing but read this game and snipe the event the event since getting off work today. I was asleep when the game started.

I honestly agree with Disaster Artists here. But sure, go ahead and give us your messy reads.

anyone who unironically thinks winning an event is scum indicative or lynching someone for winning an event is +ev is either being bad or scum

change my mind

-Latias

Sure if it's only a single head, but it becomes much more suspicious when both heads win. No one even got 3rd place. It's especially suspicious when one of the winners hadn't posted beforehand except to snipe events. (I will note Prism has had some good posts that balance out pops's bad posts.)

Yang: Why are you posting all of this and contributing to the problem you're describing?

And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.

-Prism

I'm doing the opposite of contributing to the problem.

By displaying my loss at following the thread, I'm figuring out who is willing to sort with a slot, work with a slot, or exclusively look for reasons to suspect a slot. I'm also seeing how the most active players perceive the game so I can give context to their thought process, and assess them with more confidence.

-yang

Nope you're just contributing to the noise.

Eh you could say all the picks were "good" characters but aside from that, it's what SirCakez and I agreed to it. We weren't particularly focused on nabbing a town role. (In all likelihood, alignments were randed before picks.)

My theory on Ircher is partially he's putting out words that say nothing.

~Titus

I have no idea what Ircher thinks about this slot but they are scum. I've had this secret SR for a bit and Spiff's reaction to the event just confirms it for me.

I'm just gonna point out I don't have any (memorable) experience with Spiffeh, so I'm mainly gonna be reading the slot based on Firebringer's posts.

Yo, 34% is a big number. You don't have to be a genius like me to realize that's not "usual". Responding to a request for your blueprints by saying you didn't build it anyway is what my Black Hole lieutenants did when they were missing deadlines, because they don't know how to build anyway.
Vote: Searcher

Did you read the spoiler that accompanied the readslist? It really isn't that high. Maybe it's a bit high comparatively, but that was only for the first 200 posts of the game.

Honestly I think the Black Hole slot is net town, but popsofctown has some misguided reads.

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Tammy and I are Plusle and Minun. We have multiple abilities, but only one that really matters.

FOLLOW ME.

Every one in the game will be forced to target us tonight. As a result, there's an incredibly large chance that we die. If we do not, then we have yet another use of FOLLOW ME tomorrow night. If scum do not have a way to counterbalance us (and thus this ends in No Kills 2 nights in a row), then lolbalance, but from this moment on, I'm operating as if I'm knocking on death's door. If you want to make a connection with me or if you care about my opinion at all, don't wait - I will not be long for this world.

This role is exciting to me because this is very likely my last game for a long while and my personal feeling is that my town game is strongest when death is assured for some absurd reason. The characters are extremely important to me personally; Plusle and Minun were some of the first pokemon Tammy and I caught when playing Pokémon Go together, and we still stick that pair in gyms whenever we take them over, and the Plusle and Minun Christmas ornaments we have are my favorite.

My request of everyone listening is to lend us their voices and their votes; pay attention to me and hold me close because I will not be available to us for long.

(also please excuse my strange mood, I had a shit day of work and probably drank too much too quickly)

Okay Imperium is town. There's no way this is faked. Even if it is, it won't take too long to figure out.

I looked into the 3 vote wagons but I prefer voting outside right now. For all that insomnia has hyped up this being Junko's show, I was interested in the fact that this has been entirely his posting so far. It's been <24 hours though.

What was your account in Undertale-S?

Replica.

-Prism

Fwiw, Junko is known to be more of a scum poster if she does post a lot, the fact that we randed town here would probably make her post less.

Your move, wolves!

*although it's probably just irl stuff and she'll join me at some point*

Also if Hectic doesn't have a post restriction that slot is town.

~som

Everything about this post seems wrong.

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

Yeah I'm moving our vote back to this slot in our next post. Just not this post so it doesn't get lost in the quote wall.

Ank are you gonna figure out the game like Fusion Mafia?

-gb

I feel like egospray is trying to slide by on nothing for the day without anyone noticing (i.e.: active lurking).

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

I don't think this is a good vote....

@searchers, your recent reads have changed significantly from your colored and nice readlist, can you update it?

-Farkran

It will take too long. Maybe on the weekend. I already spent 2-3 hours catching up 15 pages.

yeah we have some dissonance but we agree on most reads.

Gonna point out that our reads on the Spiffy slot are pretty much opposite. At a glance, Spiffy's posts look decent to me, but SirCakez has meta experience and that might make the difference. Aside from that, I think we (SirCakez and I) have similar reads.

[Superb Subtlety]

Okay that's filled (sorry Hectic)
Insomnia
Ausuka
Datisi
Xofelf
John Cena
Chemist1422
Pink Ball
Titus

PMs soonish

[Blake X Yang]

fuck, just missed the event.

-yang

[Unapologetically Foxy]

Well, let's begin discussion.

1) Why could Titus' entrance come from scum?
2) Is Spiffy's hydra a valid lynch?
3) Do you think that much of Mikoto-Something places too much emphasis on appearing a certain manner?
4) What is one reason to townread Black Hole Defection?

Okay sure, I'll answer these.

1) I mean, anybody's start could be from scum. But Titus is someone I've played a few games with and I'd like to think I can read her by now. Her start seems a little slow for her, but I don't know that it's AI, she seems to actually be busy with things. But she does seem to be holding back a little. That's really the only thing from my perspective. I don't go in for a "oh this person is scum cuz they started by saying/doing x" way of play. I'm always about tone and what brand of defensive people are being, are they lying/hiding something, is what they're doing helping town. So how people start could be absolutely meaningless.

2) With no actual information, isn't everybody? I don't think Spiffy's hydra has given any actual reasons they should be lynched though, and lynching them wouldn't actually give much information to go forward with. I don't know that anyone fits this yet. Most Day 1 lynches really don't from my limited experience.

3) I don't know that I'd say they look like they're going out of their way to have a certain perception, but reading them in isolation, they do have an odd tone that feels performative. Could just be how they're playing their hydra, I couldn't say, I don't have any experience with either head at all. At the same time, I weirdly like them?

4) Their posts have actual content to them. When they're saying anything, they actually link back to things that support their claims or help expand further what it is they mean. They're a hydra that I expect will also continue to give good content that is actually helpful to the town. I just like their logical tone so far. That's a reason enough for me.

I'm still waiting on Pine's opinions on things and to actually catch up, but I hope this kinda gives you a perspective on how I view and think about things?

~xoffy