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I still don’t like Espe’s 37 for the same thing as before- it didn’t happen and it’s strange to apply stuff not in the thread to someone as town- typically means you don’t care to divine their alignment. I digress.

Hoopla’s 64 isn’t as bad upon second read. I understand this is gonna be taken as backpedaling on what I said earlier but I can’t really help if I’m backpedaling on coasting reads and taking it seriously.

Espe’s 99 where he elaborates on what he expected from his reaction test is alright sans the part where he still hadn’t answered my question. Seems like alright scumhunting and upon reflection the Cooldog thing makes sense.

Cooldog’s 105 makes a fair amount of sense but it seems a bit overenthusiastic for how early the game is. But most of his “making sense” is just proper play spec.

Prana’s 112 reads very much like parroting. I don’t really think ive seen much in the way of original thought from him thus far. 136 is much of the same.

Gypyx’s 143 actually is pretty good. I like the stance re:gobbles. Its just kinda more in depth than my coasting opinion of gobble was.

Gobble’s 148 is a good response to the aforementioned stance. It seems pretty on par with how gobble said he was looking to play the game- by making certain things happen and gauging the reads off them. I don’t think its necessarily scummy to be on an early wagon to get things rolling- its remaining on it when its rolling while not scumreading them.

One trend from Cooldog’s gameplay I’ve noticed thus far (149) is it seems very integral on optimal townplay- which is both good and bad. On the one hand it makes his life (if scum) harder, but it allows pretty easy reads to hide behind too. I like the jump off gyp and onto hoopla- I didn’t at first but when I think about it- giving town as little info as possible is a base scum thing to do, yes. I don’t really think that was hoopla’s intent and it does seem a bit basic, but I think at its core hes pushing something he believes in.

I like renaissance’s replace in, still. I think its funny that everyone in that slot starts out on a scumread with me and ends in a townread but rereading I kinda get it.

I like Gobble’s 183. I didnt notice it before but its a fair point in my focus primarily on how hes playing even though hiraki was playing similar- I have this subconscious predisposition to how I expected Hiraki to play (condescending questions) and it fit pretty accurately. I don’t think I’ve played against scum-hiraki ever, and my knowledge of how he is comes from games 5+ years ago. I know I feel way different now than I did when I started, I suppose its fair to hold others to a similar standard. I think hes pointing out a lot of inconsistencies that I honestly didnt notice before. I am definitely starting to think he’s town.

I could maybe buy town-paranoia in Gyp’s 190. Like a tinfoil theory without declaring it a tinfoil theory, however it still does feel weird coming from a new person. I like him acknowledging it in 199, I feel like its typically harder for scum to feel comfortable admitting they are scumming.

I agree with the sentiment behind Agar’s 207. But I think him as well as Cooldog are very wrapped up in optimal play when honestly, town doesnt play optimally. Yeah it doesnt make sense they dont but human error is the big reason most games are as difficult as they are. I still get townvibes.

Hoopla’s 208 makes more sense to me upon reread and I find myself agreeing with it now. Like full on, more than my initial skepticism. I think the traitor thing is important to remember lategame but I think paranoid tinfoilly town makes more sense re:gyp. I do think Hoopla’s making a lot of points I agree with now that im knuckling down and I am thinking town.

Prana’s 214 is more of the same- its literally just paraphrasing the thread. And a vote on CD with no reasoning? He says CD is his biggest suspicion without any real oomph. That seems like a pattern thus far. Scum?

I agree with Hoopla’s 218 and 219. I think Prana flew under the radar a lot when im rereading and I’m not really sure how.

I agree with most of Hiraki’s stances on 227. I don’t really understand how he intends to play the game without trusting anyone else, but I digress.

Gobbles 228 is good-posting. I think I was so shocked at the claim I kinda tunneled on it before.

I can see Agar’s stances in 230 coming from town but I no longer agree with them.

Still like Hiraki’s 235 like I did before. I do think now I view Hoopla more as trying to bridge a gap than anything else. I am getting super huge “Get off my lawn” vibes from cooldog this game and I don’t have the experience to know if he does this as a particular alignment or not. 242 makes a fair amount of sense for hte vote as well.

Una is also flying under the radar but I dont think all the scum is playing that same way.

I like 249 from Gyp because he has no reason to keep referring to something everyone keeps bringing up but he is trying to work with people to figure out his read.

More surface level from Prana 251 but he is starting to take some stances now.

I wish Cooldog was doing more to get Hoopla lynched. He both seems so certain and committed in his posts but I feel like there should be more drive there.

Prana finally gives reasoning to vote CD in 286. Idk how I feel about him pretending it was super obvious that’s what CD was trying to do when he hasnt really mentioned it in pages- more of his recent stuff has been about Hoopla

Gobble’s reads in 294 kinda match with mine. I’m currently at- Gobbles, Hoopla, Gyp, Hiraki, ren town, agar leantown. Kinda curious on the CD condition but I know im waiting.
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319 from Una is exact opposite of how I feel- I fully agree with the townlist there.

325 I disagree with. I think Hoopla’s been pretty vocal when sharing her townread reasons. I am a townblocer like that too but I still try to look for scum, but so much of this back and forth has been cooldog not liking townhunting. I think if hoopla did a gradient scale for the rest of the players on preference there might not be a cd vote on her.

More una in the background..

Agreeing with CD’s 360.

I like Hiraki’s 411 because i dont really think scum has to try and understand how Hoopla is thinking to approach the game. I like it in the frame of all of his other posts even if I dont agree about the ren suspicion. Hoopla’s calling out of the Ren suspicion in 418 is good as well.

Flippy beetlejuice 421, more baseline lurking from una 434

437 from Prana- There seems to be a lot of people professing to be stronger later in the day. I like the flippy vote.

452 from nippy- How many god damn “not an early game players” do we have this game jesus christ.

I do notice a big uptic in Nippy’s posting when he has pressure on him vs when he doesn’t- but I also garner that isnt super alignment indicative (from what Hoopla’s been saying all game).

471 is Una scolding gobbles? I kinda like the flippant way he goes about it? I don’t see scum playing like this.

488 I only am comfortable with nippy out of this list.

Una’s bunch of posts starting at 515 all feel really good. I do see the points of him ignoring his vote and pushing me all day but hes kept a pretty constant trajectory and stances. I like his read on me in particular (just the way it was phrased felt townie)

Nippy’s string of posts from 527 all feel relatively town.

572 only took 3 days and being called out for coasting…

I like Agar’s points in 626. Still heavily leaning town on him. Gobble is falling down my list a bit.

646 from Prana… I really think he should be one of the leading wagons. Hes not really doing anything.

I agree with all of BM’s reads on 738. None of them are safe reads, and I agree with them, but why don’t I like this post? 749 is awful too- not for the rolefishing it feels like one of those people at fancy dinners who talk shit about everything and do that HOHOHO laugh and pretend like its just so droll.

I disagree with 766 but feel like it’s town thought process.

I really like 797 from Una. I dont see that kinda frustration post coming frm scum.

Klick- Town. Admittedly sorted before reread but I have townread everyone in that slot.

Hoopla- Town. Still not a huge fan of the ren post but I find myself agreeing with a lot of what shes saying and think scumreads on her feel more playstyle based.

Agar- Town. Liking the attention to detail and trying to corral the troops with the gobbles wagon. Even though I disagree wrt gobbles I think hes genuinely trying to rally apathetic town.

Gyp- Town. I see the newbtown upon reread. Easily.

Hiraki- Town. A lot of good points and I particularly like how he approached Hoopla.

Cooldog- Leantown. I’ve liked Cooldog’s posting as the game has gone on.

Una- Leantown. I just dont feel scum when Im reading his ISO but I feel like I should be? Like I dont think hes been like a paragon of towniness but tonally he just sounds town with the timing and inflection of some of his posts.

Gobbles- Leantown. I liked a lot of his early points but Agar has some decent stances wrt him that I can’t argue with thats bumping him down some.

Nippy- Null/leantown. Reminds me of like TIP.

Bob- ??? I didnt like LQ’s entry and he hasnt dont anything yet but i have a lot of townreads so his read looks worse comparatively.

BM- Leanscum- Tonally and I just think everyone else looks townier than him.

Prana- Scum. I get he doesnt want to play the spam game like everyone else I just feel like most of his stances are super safe and not groundbreaking and has managed to fly entirely under the radar for the whole day. Like good under the radar not being a lurker but making just enough content to not get called out for it and nothing too controversial to draw attention to yourself. I dont really think anyone has quantified a read on this slot all game.

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Dearest Hoopla,
As the second longest member of the townbloc I do wish to inquire of your availability in a matter most important to me. I do believe you will find your intentions line up, and as such, hereby extend this invitation to you. We begin a wagon on sir Prana. Now, I know this is rather uncouth, given it is a vanity wagon this late in the day, however I do believe this will allow us to remove some of the ruffians that have invaded our fair city.

Please respond posthaste, I look forward to your response.

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