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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:54 am
by iamausername
In post 841, MURDERCAT wrote: In post 824, iamausername wrote:also, the fact that Klyne was on the list strongly suggests that it was changed after the point that it became clear that Klyne wasn't headed for the noose.
What do you mean by this?
i don't think mafia would put Klyne on the list when there was a good chance he would be executed.
if the list they submit has the eventual execution on it, wolves get to kill whoever they want. mafia absolutely don't want to give up control over the kill completely.
so the fact that Klyne was on the list we saw means it was probably submitted after the galaxii wagon had risen up.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:58 am
by Titus
In post 874, Datisi wrote:titus, other than curdermat, who is scum? eli5, i'm drinking.
It's weaker right now but I expect one wolf in Kylne/Deasvail. I already went over why bussing is bad yesterday, so I doubt both.
Deasvail has been rather sheepy. Kylne still has his garbage play.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:59 am
by Datisi
tbh i don't think the fact that ben/klyne/deas being the hit list, who were 3rd/4th/5th votes on the wagon is a coincidence. which would imply the list got submitted after the 5th vote. no i don't have any conclusions about what this means for people's alignments don't ask.
pedit: hmmm
do you have any opinion on what i've been saying about deas today
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:59 am
by Titus
In post 875, iamausername wrote: In post 841, MURDERCAT wrote: In post 824, iamausername wrote:also, the fact that Klyne was on the list strongly suggests that it was changed after the point that it became clear that Klyne wasn't headed for the noose.
What do you mean by this?
i don't think mafia would put Klyne on the list when there was a good chance he would be executed.
if the list they submit has the eventual execution on it, wolves get to kill whoever they want. mafia absolutely don't want to give up control over the kill completely.
so the fact that Klyne was on the list we saw means it was probably submitted after the galaxii wagon had risen up.
Probably. There's still a chance mafia just knew Kylne was never getting executed. But I agree Kylne mafia should be shelved for now.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:06 am
by Titus
In post 825, Datisi wrote:as for deas. i said this yesterday in 639, but 637 made my stomach turn. it's like, coupled with 658, it looks like a very weak attempt to justify a vote. "How things are said is probably more often alignment-indicative than the content itself" sounds like such a "oh god oh fuck i need to find reasons why i'm voting klyne oh shit". coupled with the fact that i kinda don't think klyne is scum anymore either, like. idk
Honestly, I shrugged at it. I was reading through looking for scum. You saw the same things the votes did. A sheepy DV.
What would be notable is the wagon DV didn't sheep unfortunately. DV has no problems getting on the Kylne or Galaxi wagons, which suggests unaligned. His voting and protecting of me suggests I do something for his team if scum.
I found murdercat more likely to be scum but DV hasn't done much. I would vote DV but more confident in murder but murder is blatant mafia and wolf lim is better. Some scum greater than a guess though.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:13 am
by Klyne
YEP
ALL COMING TO FRUITION
YOU KEEP PRETENDING YOU'RE TOWN TITUS I LOVE IT
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:42 pm
by The Bulge
In post 814, Klyne wrote:AND let me explain what I mean by Supplemental.
You know when you have an interaction with someone as town, you usually don't have to think about it. It's all instinctive because you're town and the aspect of solving your other players is what drives you to make posts. plusJOYED does not have this trait, and instead when people respond to him, he is being
supplemental
by giving more details than what is needed for the time. Look at his ISO. Posts like 69, 80, and 329 stand out, but not in a good way. Reads like a potential scum who can't fake the thrill of lynching the scums so he just compensates
possibly worth noting that
69 reminds me in a way of PlusJOYED's rvs TR on his scumbuddy in Illicit Substances. compare
In post 69, PlusJOYED wrote: In post 44, Klick wrote:Fair enough about Plus. I guess you could call Marashu/Titus/Klyne(/Battle Mage) the true 'wagon votes' there, but I didn't feel Plus' vote was truly random as he was sheeping you.
I know little about Titus' meta. At this point I'm interested in hearing her response.
my reasoning was
1- taly is the main characters name (but needs 1 extra l) from a medicore young adult fiction series I read in middle school that I enjoyed. I was going to make a reference but then realized no one would get the reference and this made me angry. in my rage i voted taly
2- sheep murdercat
In post 260, PlusJOYED wrote:156 was a fluffpost yes but i wanted to moreso be open about me being a touhou stan so i'd probably look at remilla slot with rose colored goggles; i wanted to make that publicly known. Sorry if I wasn't very clear on that
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:42 pm
by The Bulge
In post 844, Titus wrote: In post 823, iamausername wrote:Klyne and DeasVail were in the hit list mafia gave to the wolves. if either of them were mafia, they would taking a huge risk of being killed by the wolves, knowing that they were already losing a member (galaxii). i do not believe they would take such a risk.
Totally not true, especially in Kylnes's case. Why kill what can be miselimed.
fwiw I agree with this pov. Klickslot seems like the natural choice from that list.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:42 pm
by The Bulge
In post 847, MURDERCAT wrote: In post 845, Titus wrote:This is very selective analysis. MURDERCAT has been doing that the entire game. Votes peeled off both Kylne and myself. This suggests that if Kylne is scum, he's a wolf. Mafia wouldn't peel off Kylne to vote out their own.
MURDERCAT also doesn't say why the wagons are bad for me and Taly. He just throws out a boilerplate guess that's username's thoughts but weaker and recycled.
MURDERCAT is scum.
Kylne could just as easy be mafia with other mafia voting for you who bussed when it was inevitable. Are you getting confused?
It is bad for you and Taly because you aren't on the wagon, it was obvious I was discussing who wasn't voting for galaxii.
This is weak OMGUS Titus
why do Titus and Taly look bad for their wagon positioning come EoD but not I?
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:43 pm
by The Bulge
In post 848, Titus wrote:
This vote was a flat out test to see if people asked me why I was doing something or were pursuing a narrative.
MURDERCAT doesn't ask if PlusJOYED is the result of my wagon analysis. He doesn't ask if I am reaction testing. He automatically jumps to the worst explanation.
This is scum.
I don't buy this.
In post 866, Titus wrote: In post 861, iamausername wrote:Titus, did your opinion of Klyne change based on the end of yesterday/start of today, and if so, why?
I still think Kylne might be wolf. The odds of hitting Kylne mafia are slim given the speedwagon drew from both our wagons. That alone should force a reevaluation.
Given I only like him for one faction and I should reevaluate him, best to get reactions and see.
what are your reads on VPB and Datisi?
you can also respond to my
782 if you care to.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:05 pm
by VP Baltar
In post 829, iamausername wrote: In post 824, iamausername wrote:also, the fact that Klyne was on the list strongly suggests that it was changed after the point that it became clear that Klyne wasn't headed for the noose.
based on this, i don't think the mafia team contains any two of {Titus, Taly, Plus}.
I'm not clear how B follows A here. Can you explain this more?
In post 840, Datisi wrote: In post 837, VP Baltar wrote:You seem very desperate for me to give you a town pass, especially when I said I'm not too interested in your yeet today.
shrug. i feel like you're one of the people here most familiar with my game, plus you're my designated paranoia read. being able to be confident in your alignment would be great.
So unless I town lock you, you can't read me? idgi
In post 848, Titus wrote:
This vote was a flat out test to see if people asked me why I was doing something or were pursuing a narrative.
excuse me, what?
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:08 pm
by VP Baltar
In post 856, iamausername wrote:other gut feeling from rereading stuff: Murdercat is totally mafia. besides his generally conflict avoiding nature that i noted yesterday, there were a few weird interactions i picked up on with the BM/galaxii slot. there's a steady stream of "hey, BM is sorta scummy" posts with no real effort to do anything with this (43, 199, 348 and 399), then in 679 listing his opinions on everyone he just sort of... forgets to have a conclusion on the slot? and in 712, galaxii is somehow right in the middle of his reads, equal to VP who "replaced into a meh slot and towns it up". this doesn't feel like a real progression of reads on a slot that did basically nothing at any point.
then there's 728 as a response to the wagon starting on galaxii which is just wretched, given his apparent thoughts on VP. and then he made a big show of giving intent to hammer instead of just getting on with it, presumably while he and his other partner scrambled to figure out a new hitlist now that the Titus/Klyne dichotomy had dissolved.
I'm actually vibing on this pretty hard.
I take back anything bad I said about IAAU.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:15 pm
by VP Baltar
Edited this post into quote tags so the automatic vote counter doesn't get confused
- Um
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:05 pm
by VP Baltar
^lol wrong game
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:18 pm
by Titus
In post 782, The Bulge wrote: In post 707, Titus wrote:I'll respond to 580 tomorrow in more detail if needed tomorrow but I'll do a short reply now.
1) Baltar should have hesitation about following someone using methods that aren't likely to catch scum from his PoV. I'm using following meaning voting after, not sheeping.
2) Contradictions tell a lot about alignment. If he was town, I would expect some sort of reassessment after being shown the contradiction. Something like maybe I'm not ok with executing anyone. My bet is there's at least one partner in the don't execute list.
3) I believe this was covered but both wagons on me are mostly the same slots. I still feel both sets of scum are on my wagon.
1. so if you disagree with someone's method but arrive at the same conclusion, you should ignore your own conclusions?
2. that is pretty weak. you quoted the post twice as is, like it was some kind of damning scumslip
3. doesn't really answer my question. what is giving you that feeling in the first place?
1) No. You should reconsider them but not discard them entirely.
2) I get my questions answered. If I had missed this post again, you probably would do the same.
3) I already answered this. I am a safe place for both sets of scum. I am not aligned with either. It makes sense for scum (like MURDERCAT) to do everything they can to keep my wagon viable.
As for Datisi and VP, I TR both.
VP has no reason to bus a partner yesterday. That eliminates him from being mafia. If he's a wolf, he doesn't give a rats ass if I am executed. In fact, if he's familiar with my play, he'd want that. If Kylne is town, it would be the same thing. So the only viable way this slot is scum is if he feared that Kylne would somehow be executed over me. That position doesn't make sense with galaxii's EoD posting. Given only one possible partnership, I am pretty ok calling this town.
As for Datisti, he waffled on me all of yesterday. Him wanting me to show my alignment makes sense.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:56 pm
by The Bulge
3) I was asking if you have a reason other than "I am town so the people voting me are scum"
if the speedwagon was townlead then why does it matter if it killed both of your wagons?
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:52 pm
by Titus
3) As a collective, I wouldn't and that's how the question was posed?
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The collapse of both wagons matters because it suggests it was a town driven collapse. It would be rare for a team to risk an 11th hour successful scum elimination. The players left behind are the likely mafia/wolves pushing the Kylne and me wagons.
I highly doubt wolves pivot away from me because galaxii was floating voting my wagon. That would put me at L minus 1. Why would wolves change?
Basically TLDR scum benefitted from the static state. Klyne, if scum, can only be a wolf. His partner would not be an earlier wagon shifter either. So I am not inclined to vote Kylne.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:57 pm
by iamausername
In post 885, VP Baltar wrote: In post 829, iamausername wrote: In post 824, iamausername wrote:also, the fact that Klyne was on the list strongly suggests that it was changed after the point that it became clear that Klyne wasn't headed for the noose.
based on this, i don't think the mafia team contains any two of {Titus, Taly, Plus}.
I'm not clear how B follows A here. Can you explain this more?
simple enough - those three don't seem to have been online in the time between ben's vote and the hammer.
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:02 am
by DeasVail
In post 836, MURDERCAT wrote: In post 805, Klyne wrote:best bet for a partner voting his mate for the cred is within Deas/Iamausername/clidd, and we've already established clidd is town actually trying to play the game so that laves iamausername/Deas
So then we wonder if Deas is on the list
What does this mean?
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:08 am
by DeasVail
Okay I also very much agree with murdercat-mafia vibes
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:14 am
by DeasVail
I'm honestly still not seeing in Klyne what other people seem to be seeing in Klyne. What there is actually town?
Taly and PlusJOYED are people who didn't give me super town vibes while there were posting and their absence unfortunately makes it easier for me to have them in my PoE pool for now.
Titus beginning to suspect me is I think a good sign for her alignment, and I think particularly indicates non-werewolf. Her posting also makes sense to me in a way that I moreso expect from Titus as town.
I feel pretty solid about clidd and iama as town still.
Honestly any of Datisi, VP Baltar and Bulge could still be scum imo despite generally positive vibes.
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:43 am
by iamausername
yeah, i was just about to say i think i'm coming back around to a Klyne vote.
880 is an awful reaction to Titus's recent posting, which has been a marked improvement on her D1. and like, he has no reaction at all to the Murdercat case? whether he's convinced or not, you'd think a player who is actually interested in solving the game would acknowledge it in some way.
i think we derailed a wolf wagon to hit mafia yesterday, which is fine, but today we should see it through.
VOTE: Klyne
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:57 am
by DeasVail
I'm in for that
VOTE: Klyne
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:30 am
by Datisi
;_;
nooot quite. i've caught scum a couple of times by realizing that people who *should* be hard townreading me aren't (bc keeping the door open for my yeet right). i'm often on the lookout of how should who be reading me.
do i think you're scum bc of not fully townreading me here? no, not really, you don't seem like you're setting up my yeet this way (at least not yet), unless again, you're scum with exactly titus, which is insane. part of me thinks i'd be able to have a stronger townread on you right now if it were reciprocated. the other part thinks i'd just think you were pocketing me.
if you're now thinking that there's not much point to this and it's going nowhere, you are not wrong.
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:32 am
by Datisi
@mod, ~1-2 days V/LA
i think i should be having Conclusions about username and titus and klyne and i am just not. need a mental health break + catching up on school stuff. would very appreciate if nobody got yeeted while i'm gone k thanks.