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Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:16 am**

In post 867, Dragon of the West wrote:If you're town, I will gladly come apologize. I expect an apology too for you leading my mislim

Mate, you're Macho.. a -ve utility. Ari is a +ve utility. I don't know why you're so upset. I did offer myself -albeit as a last option- to save Ari.

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:16 am**

Ari can't even act tonight if dotw has no ability

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:18 am**

In post 873, Dwlee99 wrote:To eliminate DotW who was actually playing and that I had a townread on

I don't care about your reads. As far as I'm concerned you could be scum claiming that Miller BS. I play according to my own reads and strategy, and you should know that by now.

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:19 am**

Yea but looks like my read was right

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:20 am**

In post 876, Dwlee99 wrote:Ari can't even act tonight if dotw has no ability

But he probably will have to choose between two abilities on N2. That is a + in itself

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:21 am**

In post 878, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea but looks like my read was right

With you shouting I was Scum every other post??

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:23 am**

Anyone who voted DotW to sheep mastina needs to be checked. Here's Mastina's first reads list from my last game with her for reference

In post 320, mastina wrote:
Green Cap Boys

The Emperor
ta vera

NorwegianboyEE

{
The Limit Does Not Exist
,
Dwlee99
,
Titus
}

cass.bruant

Fairy Circle
(hydra of Momrangal and Flea the Magician)

Bingle

Rough readslist. I realize it's not great but is all I've got.

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:23 am**

In post 880, Almost50 wrote:
In post 878, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea but looks like my read was right
With you shouting I was Scum every other post??

Given how pro-scum your agenda seems to be can you blame me?

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:24 am**

In post 875, Almost50 wrote:
In post 867, Dragon of the West wrote:If you're town, I will gladly come apologize. I expect an apology too for you leading my mislim
Mate, you're Macho.. a -ve utility. Ari is a +ve utility. I don't know why you're so upset. I did offer myself -albeit as a last option- to save Ari.

I'm not actually upset, sorry if my tone comes off that way. Sometimes I think my writing comes off sounding more serious than I mean it

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:25 am**

Also, like I said in an earlier post, I'm not a terrible mislim because my role sucks. But also now Ari can't use a power N1 and that's what you all were arguing you needed to judge him on

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:28 am**

A50 - I genuinely enjoy playing with you; hope you know that. I just think you're scum here

@Skybird - sorry for calling you a ding dong, that was also supposed to be more jovial than it probably sounded

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:36 am**

In post 885, Dragon of the West wrote:I just think you're scum here

Repeating that again and again won't make it true, my friend. I dunno if the dead thread is spoilered or not, but if it is then you can both know my alignment and judge my reads. Sorry if I didn't get you right, but I think over all my reads coinciding with those of the mastinas and Titus is a good sign

Oh,and @Dwlee: DO you think mastina is playing it solo? Did you forget mollie's in that hydra too?

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:37 am**

In post 806, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 653, Aristophanes wrote:As I stated in the post, I looked at the 3 slots I saw the most chatter about/suspicion on at the time.
Can you quote the chatter/suspicion about me prior to your post about me?

Someone make Ari answer this though for me

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:42 am**

In post 886, Almost50 wrote:
In post 885, Dragon of the West wrote:I just think you're scum here
Repeating that again and again won't make it true, my friend. I dunno if the dead thread is spoilered or not, but if it is then you can both know my alignment and judge my reads. Sorry if I didn't get you right, but I think over all my reads coinciding with those of the mastinas and Titus is a good sign

Oh,and @Dwlee: DO you think mastina is playing it solo? Did you forget mollie's in that hydra too?

Idk Mollie's accuracy. I assume regardless of player the reads are less likely to be accurate because they don't have the benefit of interacting in thread like we do. My point is that anyone who decided to kill DotW cause of that reads list needs to be looked at

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:47 am**

In post 547, Almost50 wrote:Where did you get that I have no reads? You asked me who the SCUM are, and I said I don't know. You didn't ask about my TOWN reads, of which I have many.

By play unwnd & Skybird are strong TRs to me.

Gamma is a strong enough but as strong as the two forementioned.

Meg is a Town Lean, and so are you (but only due to your claim if I'm being candid). I also have NDmath in this category but I forgot why that is.

I am still not cpmfprtable with either of Mon or Kop slots, but my push on them has been rebuked and I kind of felt disappointed as that stopped the game from progressing OMHO. They didn't need to actually get eliminated, but I thought some genuine real pressure on either could have given the game a good push forward. Now I'm just watching things develpp naturally and waiting for the day to end so I can start connecting dots.

Anything else you wnna ask? Fell free to shoot .. just as long as you try your best to make it specific, if you please.

In post 569, Titus wrote:1. Almost50 - Town
2. NDmath - Lean Town
3. Dwlee99 - Town
5. Yuki - Lean Scum
6. Taroumaru - GTMH town would elim
7. Aristophanes - Lean Scum
8. Gamma Emerald - Lean Town
9. Skybird - Strong town lean
10. Momrangal - Wait on replacement
11. Superbowl9 - Need more
12. Titus - Pathetic town
13. Pesto - Who?
14. Radical Rat - Ok with elim to see if town is going in the right direction but not my favorite
15. KittyTacky - Lean Scum
16. Dragon Of The West - Lean Scum

In post 639, the 2 mastinas wrote:
2mDuring DAY, only 1 100-letter'r
2m
T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu
ki

S
ky

sb
9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R
R

S

K T/K
STD
DotW

Evidently I was working on my on reads, but I did find comfort in these two read lists that were both posted AFTER my own.

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:50 am**

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:53 am**

votecount 1.15

Dragon Of The West (9) :

Aristophanes ; Titus ; Almost50 ; Skybird ; Radical Rat ; unwnd ; Yuki Takeya ; NDmath ; Dwlee99

Aristophanes (4) :

Save The Dragons ; Taroumaru ; Dragon Of The West ; Gamma Emerald

Almost50 (1) :

superbowl9

Skybird (1) :

Kop

Not Voting (0) :

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-03 10:06:01), it takes 9 votes to execute someone

Posted: **Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:55 am**

Dragon Of The West was...

Spoiler:

Night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-10-05 11:55:44)

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:37 pm**

2m, aka two mastinasHi there. This is mastina writing this, though hopefully, what I send will have mollie's blessing by the time I submit it with mollie having a chance to say everything they want to say as well in here. (We're obviously a bit limited on time given that we only have 48 hours to submit a night post and if we don't use it, we lose it.)

Apologies that this is going to be a wallpost of wallposts, but sadly, we cannot post unlimited during the night phase. We get one 100-character post during the day (thankfully, bbcode doesn't count towards the total, but if it's visible as a letter/number, it counts as a character, so while we can do a fair amount, we still have only a finite amount we can say), and we get one unlimited-character post during the night. Given we only get the one post, we've no choice but to make the unlimited post be a wall with a full day phase's worth of information to go through.
(For clarity, we start the game confirmed to be town aligned, but considered dead, and as we are dead, our communication is limited. Unfortunately a basically-nerfed treestump. So DO try to make the most out of when we DO use our posts, please.)

First off, let's start with this.

the 2 mastinas wrote:During DAY, only 1 100-letter'r

T

A50
GE
Ari
Tits
D99
Meg

LT

Yu
ki

S
ky

sb
9

N

Taro
ND
unw

R
R

S

K T/K
STD
DotW

I was a

little

miffed that the discussion after I posted this was about speculating on our role instead of speculating on our reads. If literally any of you have QUOTED this post, you'd have seen I did the absolute best I could to work around the limited characters by even including links to our scumreads here! (Did you read how I linked to the MegAzumarill posts on Kop? Did you notice the link to STD's scum entrance into the game? The post mollie and I both instantly locked onto as being proof of STD being scum this game? Did you? Because literally nobody said anything about this.)

To go into these reads, Almost50 is a common townread as both mollie and I universally believe this is Almost50 at his absolute towniest he's ever been. He's locktown of locktown.

Aristophanes is not that far behind, so shame on you for repeatedly trying to wagon him in spite of the person who has the best read accuracy on Aristophanes listing Ari as town even before Ari's claim (which shoulda elevated Ari to conftown for y'all). A50 is excluded from this, obv, as he was one of the only slots who

did

listen to us on Ari being town (thanks A50 <3), but Ari is a never-eliminate here.

Titus is mostly a treat-as-town read from us, although she may be higher as town especially from mollie. I particularly liked her entrance into the game with her unwnd suspicion (see below for more on that), mollie thought that Titus's later posting in the game was quite town.

Gamma Emerald is a weaker townread I believe we both hold. (This read may need reevaluation given the townflip on DotW obv but for

now

GE is "town enough".)

MegAzumarill lacks the meta experience I have on other townreads, but is just so absurdly town from this game alone. Purely by play, Meg would be one of my strongest townreads, up there with A50 and Ari in strength. mollie initially didn't have a read there, but now also thinks the slot is townish.

Dwlee looked town to me from their claim but this is a read I am currently reevaluating. mollie currently thinks Dwlee's play doesn't line up with their claim and while I'm not sure one way or another, the townread there was

largely

role-based and is something I find is not unreasonable to now put into question. mollie wants Dwlee dead before mylo for sure, and I'm inclined to agree.

For Lean Towns, I'm pretty sure Yuki's town here (tho mollie was the gray--mollie's read on Yuki is more ambivalent, divided between gut/head on scum/town). since then, mollie has said that they're not townreading Yuki, but they at least think that Yuki isn't scum with Taro so if Taro flips scum, it'd look good for Yuki. (Note: the people reading my list actually got the me/mollie colors backwards. I consistently listed MY read first and mollie's read second. So for the green Yu, that's me, and the gray ki, that's mollie.)

When it comes to Skybird, Skybird is someone who I initially thought was scum (Skybird's entrance gave off STRONG scum vibes to me), but mollie is very very very sure that Skybird is town here. Since then, I've become a lot more receptive to Skybird being town from Skybird's later posting. I'm not

convinced

Skybird is town, but I'm willing to trust mollie's read on Skybird.

superbowl9 initially looked town to me, but mollie hard-scumread sb9 here. With the slot being replaced as of the end of the day, it's up in the air as to what this slot's alignment is, we won't be able to really know until the slot is filled and the slot is posting on D2.

It's at this point I feel it's important to mention:

mollie and I believe that this game, being AI-generated, will not necessarily conform to conventional balance standards.

I, personally, believe there should be less than 9 anti-town members to find, in order for the game to still be a game, and that if the AI generated a setup with 10 or more anti-town, Gypyx would reroll things.

So we're expecting there to be anywhere from 4-7 anti-town, mayyyyybe 8, but shouldn't be 9 or more.

Spoiler: Setup stuff

Meaning that when I say that names are 'null', what I really mean is,
"This is where the scum pool begins", in that when we get to the bottom ~7 names on the readslist, it's not too unrealistic to think that literally all of them could be scum.

Taro there's just not much of anything there to be seen. I did however actually slightly misplace Taro. mollie did

initially

have Taro as null like I do, but later said Taro was acting scummy, so Taro should've been slightly lower (albeit not to the same strong-scum levels as our other reads).

NDMath there's also very little to be seen--NDMath has been posting, and more constructively so at that, but nothing truly sticks out as really alignment-indicative. Initially mollie had NDMath as a null. However, mollie thinks the slot is townish currently.

unwnd is a slot we had heavy ambivalence on at the time, although we've since come to the conclusion unwnd looks sus-as-fuck and unwnd is one of our main scumreads. I initially thought that unwnd's entrance looked hella-suspicious and didn't give off townvibes, but then later doubted this with ambivalence where I could see it either way. However, mollie, too, ALSO thinks the same: that if unwnd were town here, that unwnd would look town here and unwnd here just...doesn't look town. At all.

Radical Rat is basically an inverse Skybird: I have liked, rather strongly, basically everything Radical Rat has posted, including RR's claim looking town to me. mollie...hasn't, with mollie having thought RR's content was quite strong scum overall. At the time we posted our combined readslist, mollie had moved RR up to null, but that was the highest point RR has been to mollie and for both before, and after, that, RR has been a scumread of mollie's. I trust mollie's ability to read RR more than I trust my own, but I DO disagree with the scumread there, in spite of my willingness to trust mollie on it.

Then we get to the scumreads.
I could explain the DotW scumread (it was mostly mine tho mollie did share it), but given the townflip there, best to focus on the others.

When it comes to KittyTacky/Kop, KittyTacky was heavily null-at-best (with a minor lean towards scum). Kop's posting, per MegAzumarill's reasoning, is incredibly suspect. I realize Kop claimed a confirmable role--but both me and mollie remain skeptical of this, especially given the need for a replacement in the first place for KittyTacky.

And when it comes to SaveTheDragons, both mollie and I are sure that the immediate wallpost of effort from STD is a scumclaim from him, and that literally everything STD's done since coming into the game has been incredibly scum-motivated.

Other (potentially) important things:

Spoiler: mastina RVS posting

Spoiler: more mastina rvs posting

(The Aristophanes tell being Ari posting = Ari town, Ari not posting = Ari scum. Obviously, this is both an oversimplification and outdated, as basically a straw-tell: not really real as a true tell which isn't truly applicable, because it's a lot more complicated and nuanced than that. Once Aristophanes DID start posting, though, Ari immediately became obvtown.)

Spoiler: mastina Setup stuff + more early initial takes of mine

Spoiler: page 5 mastina reads

Spoiler: mastina initial unwnd read + readslist progression

Spoiler: mastina most-of-D1 reads, Titus townread, to ~199

Spoiler: mastina extra post on the above

Spoiler: mollie's first readslist, at about the same spot in the game as above, ~200

We began to hash things out and work on our post from there.

Spoiler: mollie's followthrough/beginning to compromise

Spoiler: mollie pointing out the lack of SvS in unwnd-DotW

I agreed with this, but with Dragon of the West having flipped town, that opens unwnd back up for being scum.

Spoiler: mollie on Taro + setup spec from mollie

To that, I said:

Spoiler: more setup spec

In the process of developing our reads,

Spoiler: mastina on unwnd + KittyTacky + penultimate-from-D1post readslist

(I also tried to form mollie's reads into a list and create an initial compromise-readslist, which the following was in response to)

Spoiler: mollie giving further reads input

And then Save the Dragons replaced in, which mollie immediately called out:

Spoiler: mollie on STD

Spoiler: next mollie compromise

It was at this point we (well, I, having gotten mollie's input) submitted our D1 post.

Spoiler: I, mastina, had WORDS to say to folks about this.

Spoiler: mollie giving more input, on Aristophanes + unwnd + Kop

I am in full agreement with everything mollie said here.

Spoiler: mollie on Skybird + unwnd

I also fully agree with mollie here--I think Skybird's later posting like the quote was insanely town and that unwnd's posting was incredibly scum.

Spoiler: mollie on RR

This however I can't find myself agreeing with. I'm willing to

trust

mollie on RR, but I can't

agree

with it.

Spoiler: mollie's doubt on Dwlee

And while I neither agree nor disagree with mollie on this point (Dwlee's fallen off in read strength to me), it is definitely worth investigating further.

Spoiler: mollie's readslist during the night

So with all of this said,

Updated Readslist

:

LOCKTOWN

:

Almost50
Aristophanes
MegAzumarill (mastina-townread + claim + mollie townread)

STRONG TOWN

:

Titus (both heads townreading)
Skybird (mollie VERY strongly townreading; mastina townreading)

WEAK TOWN

:

Gamma Emerald (both heads loosely town)
Yuki (mastina

town

+ mollie

ambi

valence

)
NDMath (basically pure null from mastina, but

townish

to mollie)

Below this = "can eliminate"

(especially if there's a lot of nontown players in the game)

:

CONFLICTED

:

Radical Rat (mastina

townread

, mollie

strong-scumread

)

NULL/PENDING REEVALUATION

:

Dwlee99 (looked

town enough

D1, claim seemed believable, but doubts to be had + mollie

scumread

)
superbowl9 (looked

town

to mastina but

strongly scum

to mollie, but due to the replacement, is a blank slate)

NULLSCUM

:

Taro (mastina pure null, but mollie thinks is

scummy

)

SCUM

:

Kop
Momrangal/Save the Dragons
unwnd

(final note: mollie said they don't

strongly

scumread anyone outside of unwnd, Kop, and STD)

mollie tl;dr

:

tl;dr

- y'all, it is a long read, but worth it because Mastina is mapping out exactly what we are thinking. We are here, anxiously watching everything, hoping to join you all at some point. Also sorry, Dragon of the West! We thought you looked scummy until you didn't and then it was too late. <3

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:29 pm**

enchant replaces superbowl9

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:19 am**

redacted

Posted: **Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:23 am**

so, extremely sorry about the delay, but i did an error and flipped the wrong player, i'll check in with the listmod on what to do, but in the meanwhile, if anyone saw the night's flips, please signal yourself to me, once again extremely sorry with the error

Posted: **Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:41 am**

(ftr stuff isn't solved yet, i'll give a definitive start time when i can)

Posted: **Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:29 am**

alright so, we're back to go, sorry for the disturbances everyone, and sadly as a consequence of seeing the wrong flips, unwnd / Save The Dragons will have to be replaced, i'll start the day once this is dealt with

i'll show the correct deaths once replacements are in

Posted: **Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:24 am**

morning tweet replaces save the dragons ! One replacement left

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