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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:14 am
by Bingle
In post 854, Loftwing wrote:At the very least, if I die tonight it would be confirmed that Enchant is a PGO.
I mean... there's functionally 0 worlds in which we don't eliminate Enchant today. (Sorry Enchant.) I was mostly leading them on for potential additional information.
First of all, eliminating Enchant confirms the existence of a Doctor role. Second of all, we only have Enchant's word that they're a 3p and not groupscum, and we're in a position where we don't need an additional town kill here. Third, this is a role madness game, so the odds are that town players will also have powerful roles, so risking a town elimination to keep a nontown player around just doesn't make sense. Fourth, killing an actual SK reduces the KPN of the game, which is incredibly protown in this type of situation.
Given knowledge about what roles exist, Ru/Me/Cyrus are all claimed enough that we're bad RB targets. I'd probably hit Dwlee myself, given that they claimed not to have acted last night. Now that you're claimed it is worth it to claim in advance, as with 3 flipped scum who was blocked at night starts being pretty valuable information. If you choose a protective role to block, they should not claim, as the known existence of a protective role might be enough to keep me alive and them outing is bad for town anyway.
With as much information as is on the table, tomorrow is probably massclaim day.
In case I die, I propose the order of
cyrus62
StrangeMatter
Dragon of the West
Save The Dragons
Mama Ru
Dwlee99
Loftwing
Quiet Owl
No this is not a readslist order, but there are reasons for all of the placements which will not be discussed today.
I won't be claiming my invest target for tonight, as there's no real point to doing so.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:18 am
by Dwlee99
I mean maybe I'll want to act tonight
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:19 am
by Enchant
Well, if Bingle is actually scum who lied about doc existance, take care. It's not like you believe me anyway so see ya.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:53 am
by Dragon of the West
What makes you think Cyrus is specifically SK?
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 8:58 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 692, Loftwing wrote:Hmm, 2 players died?
So we probably have Mafia/Werewolves, or maybe Mafia + Werewolves, but
never
Mafia×Werewolves.
@Loft - what does this mean
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:14 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 780, Bingle wrote:If I were cult leader I would have targeted STD last night. Thoughts?
STD or Strange. Both lurkish and fairly null on D1 for most people as far as I can tell. But I'm pretty sure that cult leader dying means their recruitment doesn't go through
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:19 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 767, Enchant wrote:Because of possible amount scum against town here, and my wish to survive this mess as long as possible, i can offer my ability to blast everything to town use for now. I am basically Vigilante who hardly will die at night.
Given the possibility of multiple scum factions or other NK sources, I'm entirely against leaving a known SK alive. Town cannot effectively leash in a setup that's potentially multiball/lopsided and if we don't lim Enchant today and he goes rogue N2, the game could get out of town's hands and put us in a scenario where we can't lim Enchant D3 because we're left worried about group scum
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:28 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 816, Dwlee99 wrote:Unless you think I'm a fourth scum faction (mafia + sk + cult + ???)
Tbh I think a 4th group scum faction is entirely possible after last 3d20 had cult, Mafia, and werewolves. I know SK adds an extra layer, but it's not like this game setup was made for balance and SK can even more easily kill scum that way making the game more winnable for town
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:33 am
by Dragon of the West
Hello, we should kill enchant
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:37 am
by Dragon of the West
VOTE: Enchant
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:38 am
by Dwlee99
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:18 am
by Save The Dragons
In post 853, Loftwing wrote:Meh, if I'm going to die, I might as well reveal that I am the one who Roleblocked Mama Ru. I'd be more than happy chaining myself to Enchant, mainly because I don't have many strong reads this game.
HOLD UP
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:25 am
by Save The Dragons
god i hate this some else solve this for me
i'm a tracker.
i tracked loftwing to enchant.
1. why is loftwing alive if enchant is a PGO?
2. why did ssbm die if loftwing is a RB?
3. why did mama ru claim roleblock if loftwing didn't target mama ru?
4. i don't fucking know how bus driver works, so i guess loftwing got bus driven but if so, why am i so confused, is loftwing just straight up lying?
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:52 am
by Loftwing
Ah, so Enchant isn't a PGO or a Serial Kira. They're just a jester, or another scum player.
Also, I'm asking Cook for some clarification here.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:15 am
by Mama Ru
ScumQueens would definitely want to make us think there is a bus driver.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:27 am
by Quiet Owl
Bus driver swaps player A with player B. If someone targets player B, they will target player A instead. Player A and player B's night actions are unaffected by the bus drive.
We know that Bingle visited Enchant. The two dead we have can be attributed to the two known scum factions. If anyone else visited Enchant and lived, they should have spoken up when Enchant claimed PGO. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that Bingle was driven with Loft. In which case the bloodhound's already being protected.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:04 pm
by Loftwing
I definitely didn't intend to target Enchant last night, so there's that.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:09 pm
by Bingle
Huh. I think I know almost every extant role based on crumbs and softclaims. Interesting.
As is, it is more than likely that loft was swapped with me and std saw me investigate enchant. I didn’t die either because enchant isn’t really a pgo or because I was saved by a doc who presumably originally targeted loftwing.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:11 pm
by Bingle
I think that he was informed about the existence of cult yesterday.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:30 pm
by cyrus62
In post 892, Bingle wrote:Huh. I think I know almost every extant role based on crumbs and softclaims. Interesting.
As is, it is more than likely that loft was swapped with me and std saw me investigate enchant. I didn’t die either because enchant isn’t really a pgo or because I was saved by a doc who presumably originally targeted loftwing.
If you was switch with loft wouldn't that mean you hot the result of ma since loft targeted ma . So wouldn't that make ma not town. . But std is saying the tracked loft to enchant.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 1:46 pm
by Quiet Owl
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:05 pm
by cyrus62
Bus driver said in wiki if a is scum and targets c but gets but c gets switch with b then b dies even if b is a's partner. So let's say a is bingel and b is loft c is ma and d is enchant a targeted d and b targeted c but a was switch with b making it to where b targeted and blocked d and a targeted and checked c. . Since loft is roleblock he would have blocked enchant and lived . The bus driver is indeed scum.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:24 pm
by Loftwing
Bus drivver was on Bingel and Me, not Mama Roo and Enchant. I know this for a fact.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:34 pm
by Mama Ru
In post 853, Loftwing wrote:Meh, if I'm going to die, I might as well reveal that I am the one who Roleblocked Mama Ru. I'd be more than happy chaining myself to Enchant, mainly because I don't have many strong reads this game.
Blocking Mama Ru is a scum claim.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:36 pm
by Save The Dragons
if i'm correct, according to the bus driving, mama ru, you're evil
