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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:47 am
by Taly
Great question: does
Titus
-scum incriminate herself by tunneling town D1?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:52 am
by Taly
She's a self-aware player, as scum, a more reliable way you see
Titus'
perspective as informed is not quite by how she interacts with her partners or townies, but how she posits herself. So I'm inclined to say "no" to the prompt in but I think my history with her biases me so I need perspective from less experienced players on her.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:53 am
by Taly
I'm in "reevaluate townbloc" mode, starting with my strongest townreads D1.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:58 am
by Taly
I also don't remember
Galron's
reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:59 am
by Greeting
In post 874, Taly wrote:
Greeting
, which group do you think contains 2 scum?
My mind is telling me this: (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
), my gut is telling me this: (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:01 am
by Taly
In post 879, Greeting wrote:
In post 874, Taly wrote:
Greeting
, which group do you think contains 2 scum?
My mind is telling me this: (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
), my gut is telling me this: (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.
Good to see that we are very much on the same page. Do you have questions for me?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:06 am
by Greeting
In post 878, Taly wrote:I also don't remember
Galron's
reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.
I am extra cautious about
Galron
, because their open and relaxed attitude made me townread them (and they were scum) in Open 838. So I'm putting evaluating him on hold.

I didn't admit that, but I was pocketed. :lol:

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:07 am
by Greeting
In post 880, Taly wrote:
In post 879, Greeting wrote:
In post 874, Taly wrote:
Greeting
, which group do you think contains 2 scum?
My mind is telling me this: (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
), my gut is telling me this: (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.
Good to see that we are very much on the same page. Do you have questions for me?
Yes. Whom do you think is be most likely to be scum from this pool (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and why?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:08 am
by House
In post 878, Taly wrote:I also don't remember
Galron's
reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.
What reads of mine do you remember from d1?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:16 am
by Taly
In post 101, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: House
In post 218, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: mastina

I like flea for town also.
In post 299, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Scorpious
In post 473, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Galron
Sup.
In post 625, CheekyTeeky wrote:VOTE: Scorpious
In post 763, CheekyTeeky wrote:Fine VOTE: zefiend
Cheeky's]/b] voting pattern. If we accept the premise that scum just wants to kill to avoid pressure, then:
(House/mastina/Scorpious/Galron/zefiend)
is an entirely new POV that merges both on and off wagon
Meg
voters.

mastina
is still high in my townreads albeit more null feeling.

Scorpious
gave me best EoD1 vibe but I'll have to reread that. Their trust in me began around the time I hinted at working with
Cheeky
despite their suspicion there. The worldview may have dissonance that is AI.

House
should try to strengthen town or help an alternative bloc. I just keeping thinking that their trolling attitude is an easy mask if scum, and I don't know what town-trolling looks like. I see very little cohesion with this slot, and I know is AI, but which way it goes is my question.

Just gave thoughts on
Galron
in , don't have much more to add here. Tinfoil brain thinks
Galron
voting
Yume
to look busy but ADMITTING that is town indicative, but it's a weak feeling.

And
zefiend
. Who I think is scum coasting.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:16 am
by Taly
Why do I fuck up bold tags on my most important posts LOL

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:22 am
by House
Considering I was pretty damned suspicious of Cheeky on d1, I have to wonder why you're thinking she would be someone I'd kill last night.
In post 482, House wrote:
In post 479, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 401, House wrote:If Meg flips town, I'm going to be super paranoid of mastina & Taly.

If she flips scum, I'ma do a happy dance.
Here.
She hasn't flipped town.

Do you know something I don't?
In post 574, House wrote:
In post 573, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 569, House wrote:124/161 are straight bullshit posts.

Felt like she was pulling shit out of her ass to rationalize shading me.
Why would I need to rationalize shading you? How else do I sort you?
Calling me robotic isn't an attempt at sorting me.

Doubling down on it when I call you out on it isn't sorting me.

Bullshit.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:23 am
by Taly
In post 881, Greeting wrote:
In post 878, Taly wrote:I also don't remember
Galron's
reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.
I am extra cautious about
Galron
, because their open and relaxed attitude made me townread them (and they were scum) in Open 838. So I'm putting evaluating him on hold.

I didn't admit that, but I was pocketed. :lol:
Who else in the larger pool worries you?
In post 882, Greeting wrote:
In post 880, Taly wrote:
In post 879, Greeting wrote:
In post 874, Taly wrote:
Greeting
, which group do you think contains 2 scum?
My mind is telling me this: (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
), my gut is telling me this: (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (
Titus
,
mastina
,
Taly
,
Galron
,
House
,
Scorpious
,
Enchant
). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.
Good to see that we are very much on the same page. Do you have questions for me?
Yes. Whom do you think is be most likely to be scum from this pool (
Flea The Magician
,
Dwlee99
,
ɀefiend
) and why?
Flea/Dwlee
come either their/faer own problems. Mind hasn't changed on
Dwlee
.
Flea
is very fluffy looking.

The concerning thing is that I doubt it's THIS easy as a scumteam. Seeing if
zefiend
push helps my thinking here.
In post 883, House wrote:
In post 878, Taly wrote:I also don't remember
Galron's
reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.
What reads of mine do you remember from d1?
Locktown
Titus

Kill
Enchant

Suspects
Cheeky and Scorpious

Hesitant townread on me?

Very few stated townreads.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:25 am
by House
In post 887, Taly wrote:Very few stated townreads.
Pretty common for my town game on d1.

I'd be more concerned about players that go around branding half the game as town with zero information, personally.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:26 am
by Taly
In post 886, House wrote:Considering I was pretty damned suspicious of Cheeky on d1, I have to wonder why you're thinking she would be someone I'd kill last night.
In post 482, House wrote:
In post 479, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 401, House wrote:If Meg flips town, I'm going to be super paranoid of mastina & Taly.

If she flips scum, I'ma do a happy dance.
Here.
She hasn't flipped town.

Do you know something I don't?
In post 574, House wrote:
In post 573, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 569, House wrote:124/161 are straight bullshit posts.

Felt like she was pulling shit out of her ass to rationalize shading me.
Why would I need to rationalize shading you? How else do I sort you?
Calling me robotic isn't an attempt at sorting me.

Doubling down on it when I call you out on it isn't sorting me.

Bullshit.
This is true and something that gives me pause. But this is a scumteam of 3 who are all alive, so the kill doesn't have to be a decision that you'd personally prefer to make.

And perhaps a motive for you to kill
Cheeky
is the ability to propose this argument. So I need some other method of reading you.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:27 am
by Taly
In post 888, House wrote:
In post 887, Taly wrote:Very few stated townreads.
Pretty common for my town game on d1.

I'd be more concerned about players that go around branding half the game as town with zero information, personally.
Doesn't this suggest
Titus/Me
as a concern to you?

Or, forgetting the above question entirely, who did worry you D1?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:27 am
by House
In post 889, Taly wrote:This is true and something that gives me pause. But this is a scumteam of 3 who are all alive, so the kill doesn't have to be a decision that you'd personally prefer to make.
Okay, so you clearly don't know my scum game.

I drive nk's. :lol:

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:28 am
by Taly
Who would you have killed?

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:31 am
by House
In post 892, Taly wrote:Who would you have killed?
Titus. Hands down. She can find and case me.

If I suspected she was protected, you. You're advice & you push the game forward.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:32 am
by House
In post 893, House wrote:
In post 892, Taly wrote:Who would you have killed?
Titus. Hands down. She can find and case me.

If I suspected she was protected, you. You're active* & you push the game forward.
EBWOP

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:33 am
by House
I also would never locktown Titus on p1 as scum because paranoid Titus is bad for scum!me.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:37 am
by House
In post 890, Taly wrote:
In post 888, House wrote:
In post 887, Taly wrote:Very few stated townreads.
Pretty common for my town game on d1.

I'd be more concerned about players that go around branding half the game as town with zero information, personally.
Doesn't this suggest
Titus/Me
as a concern to you?

Or, forgetting the above question entirely, who did worry you D1?
Titus? Not at all.

You? Not particularly. Your play is town independent of your actual reads.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:39 am
by Taly
I'm going to eat and play DND but I stopped reading at , returning later.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:41 am
by House
In post 889, Taly wrote:And perhaps a motive for you to kill Cheeky is the ability to propose this argument. So I need some other method of reading you.
Do me a solid and link to literally any scum game under any of my accounts where I've said I'd not do something as scum when I was actually scum and did that thing.

Alternatively, link to where I lie about my meta as either alignment, under any account.

I'll wait.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:01 am
by House
In post 866, Enchant wrote:Just notice how house believed Meg is town, but still let them die lol.
This one is too easy.



Shade harder, scum.