Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:56 am
Mage: Roden is the one read we are banking everything on being correct.
Faerie: We do not think Roden is ever scum here.
Faerie: We do not think Roden is ever scum here.
If I was scum then nothing changed with my vote?In post 867, Faerie Mages wrote:Mage: As one of most suspected slots throughout the game, there were better duos to put almost every night. Narrowing down the poe rather than putting towny slots against each other make no sense.
Faerie: You seem pretty desperate for our elimination.
Mage: VOTE: Jjh We said a while ago that if you were scum, town loses. And we were right.
There hasn't been a quick hammer on you. Mechanically, you or JJH have to be scum here.
Bad idea for multiple reasons. Flipping me is an auto loss for town, and if you think I'm scum then you're better off flipping my buddy and then trying to kill me in the fight tonight since I'm guaranteed to fight.In post 871, Dwlee99 wrote:I'd actually much rather flip roden then either faerie or jjh today I think?
Any reason I couldn't be scum with either of them?In post 878, jjh927 wrote:Well, we've just ruled out a Flea/Dwlee scumteam so that's very cool
Don't see how we lose. If we elim scum today and it does turn out to be Faerie, I'm likely fighting you tonight if you're town. If I win the fight, you can't tunnel me in ELo, and instead I'm going into ELo with Flea at the very least, who doesn't scum read me. Worst case scenario, ELo is Flea/Dwlee/me and Dwlee is town and death tunnels me, and scum!Flea just quick hammers once Dwlee votes.In post 864, jjh927 wrote:Oh, and to reiterate for you, Roden-
Throwing the fight is absolutely not against the spirit of the game. There's no obligation to pick the strongest thing you can think of, or even something that you think could win. I am not telling you what to pick. Rather, from a perspective of the game of mafia, if you think your death would be beneficial to town then you should try to lose the fight. I am telling you, objectively, yourdeath is beneficial to town regardless of your alignment.Please go to whatever lengths you can to ensure you die tonight.If you are town, and you win the fight, we will literally lose the game as a result.
Problem is that this largely applies to your fight as well. By your logic, you're coasting on winning the first fight. Technically you didn't even commit to voting out NK15, you cased him then backed off and tried to get Flea out instead.In post 861, jjh927 wrote:There are loads of reasons that scum could choose to put someone in a fight, and a large number of considerations that totally invalidate your reasoning.
-Wifom. You are townreading someone because they were in a fight with someone, hence you must be able to extrapolate there is value in it for scum. This being said, the only two people who are making the argument here are you and Faerie, which I feel furthers my point that scum would absolutely think they can try to get town points out of a fight.
-Risk management. If scum lose their fight, then it would be dangerous to have someone who would do a lot with being conftown as the winner. TL is kinda a clown.
-TL is kinda a clown. It could have been predicted he would pick some obscure thing that people wouldn't care about.
-There weren't any widely townread players who could have been chosen at that time at all. Scum could have picked anyone.
In post 328, Jingle wrote:A HAMMMER!
You know what they say: "Turnabout is fair play." Not Known 15 has been torn apart by hyenas. They were:
Spoiler:
Now that you're posting I'll probably be able to rule it out as wellIn post 891, Roden wrote:Any reason I couldn't be scum with either of them?In post 878, jjh927 wrote:Well, we've just ruled out a Flea/Dwlee scumteam so that's very cool
oh I didn't think about the fightIn post 890, Roden wrote:Bad idea for multiple reasons. Flipping me is an auto loss for town, and if you think I'm scum then you're better off flipping my buddy and then trying to kill me in the fight tonight since I'm guaranteed to fight.In post 871, Dwlee99 wrote:I'd actually much rather flip roden then either faerie or jjh today I think?
Why are you against flipping one of JJH or Faerie?
In post 864, jjh927 wrote:Oh, and to reiterate for you, Roden-
Throwing the fight is absolutely not against the spirit of the game. There's no obligation to pick the strongest thing you can think of, or even something that you think could win. I am not telling you what to pick. Rather, from a perspective of the game of mafia, if you think your death would be beneficial to town then you should try to lose the fight. I am telling you, objectively, yourdeath is beneficial to town regardless of your alignment.Please go to whatever lengths you can to ensure you die tonight.If you are town, and you win the fight, we will literally lose the game as a result.