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In post 859, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 858, marcistar wrote:dwlee does seem a bit better lately, but they're still the scummiest of the stop getting banned bunch.

dwlee -> rh9 -> dragons

everyones jump onto rh9 lately makes me wary of that push.

What have I done better

ur posting more!!! : DD

In post 868, Faker wrote:It's nice of Dwlee99 but it's not like I don't solve or put in effort tracking as scum; my entire shtick is out-solving the town to strongarm and then use that position to control where attention goes. If RH9 is town and I'd be advancing a miselim great, but bussing is also pretty free for me with how the game currently is.

In post 869, RH9 wrote:Though, I feel concerned that marci might be trying to buddy me as of late.

why would i want to buddy u of all ppl

can we do something spicy this game just feels like the same points over and over again my reads are barely changing

someone else talk!!

In post 878, marcistar wrote:can we do something spicy this game just feels like the same points over and over again my reads are barely changing

someone else talk!!

Did you miss all of STD's posts?
He made some good points lately.

what posts

In post 880, marcistar wrote:what posts

840 and 844
He showed active attempts to solve and sort players in those posts.

im still pretty much at a loss for both games tbh

i guess i'm hoping meuh just happens to get it right so i can focus on my game unless we want to solve mine first for some reason

In post 227, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 105, Faker wrote:Skimming through, I too am a little underwhelmed by marcistar's explanation on selection. "Think I'd mix things up [in Sillyposting]" doesn't sound like a real reason, and I'm surprised she doesn't find the idea interesting.

I also thought Dwlee99's jump to SGB instantly with her was bizarre. Dwlee has two paces of play they can go to but it seems purely reactionary to marcistar and not at all rooted in what the minigames themselves are. I expect Dwlee to know those instant reads are a starting place and picking the game instantly as a result of one is questionable.

I don't say all of my thoughts

I'd like you to revisit your pregame thoughts on playing around the minigames now, if you don't mind.

In post 59, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 52, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 48, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 39, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wtf dwlee how you going to pick a place alrdy

If you loved me you'd help me kill Marci

I'm tempted to join just to help you yeet this Canadian but my talents might be needed elsewhere

I kinda want you to play conftown or 1v1 so I can read it after

This back/forth is interesting. Maybe this is Dwlee99 and Pooky is being cheeky, but what they're discussing would be scum autoloss.

I also still think this is a weird interaction for S/S theater.

In post 276, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 267, marcistar wrote:

In post 255, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 241, marcistar wrote:

In post 237, RH9 wrote:This might sound bizarre but I think that the interactions between Dwlee and marci seem like they are aligned, possibly even scum together.
What does everybody else think?

i wanna know what made you think this.

im pretty sure at this point their push on me is partly in fact that theyre scum and partly fact they seem to hate me

Bruh what makes you think I hate you vs just think you're scum?

?? I don't see how your plays around me this game are town motivated

also ive felt like u hate me for awhile but ive just never pointed it out. to me its pretty obvious, you always find a way to come after me no matter what anyone else tells you.
idk what i ever did to you

I think you're scum. I am pushing you. I think it's straight forward.

On the personal note I definitely don't hate you or even dislike you. I enjoy playing with you. I don't really even remember particularly pushing you in the past but my memory isn't great? If I scumread you a lot repeatedly it was probably just that I scumread your playstyle and not about you personally at all

But maybe Meuh has better insight into how marcistar plays cards like this

MEUHHHHHHHH

In post 885, Faker wrote:

In post 59, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 52, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 48, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 39, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wtf dwlee how you going to pick a place alrdy

If you loved me you'd help me kill Marci

I'm tempted to join just to help you yeet this Canadian but my talents might be needed elsewhere

I kinda want you to play conftown or 1v1 so I can read it after

This back/forth is interesting. Maybe this is Dwlee99 and Pooky is being cheeky, but what they're discussing would be scum autoloss.

Hmm that actually does look pretty unlikely to be partnered.

In post 886, Faker wrote:I also still think this is a weird interaction for S/S theater.

In post 276, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 267, marcistar wrote:

In post 255, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 241, marcistar wrote:

In post 237, RH9 wrote:This might sound bizarre but I think that the interactions between Dwlee and marci seem like they are aligned, possibly even scum together.
What does everybody else think?

i wanna know what made you think this.

im pretty sure at this point their push on me is partly in fact that theyre scum and partly fact they seem to hate me

Bruh what makes you think I hate you vs just think you're scum?

?? I don't see how your plays around me this game are town motivated

also ive felt like u hate me for awhile but ive just never pointed it out. to me its pretty obvious, you always find a way to come after me no matter what anyone else tells you.
idk what i ever did to you

I think you're scum. I am pushing you. I think it's straight forward.

On the personal note I definitely don't hate you or even dislike you. I enjoy playing with you. I don't really even remember particularly pushing you in the past but my memory isn't great? If I scumread you a lot repeatedly it was probably just that I scumread your playstyle and not about you personally at all

But maybe Meuh has better insight into how marcistar plays cards like this

Yeah I pointed that one out earlier as a counter-point to my own thoughts that Marci/Dwlee could be the team.
I'm not sure Marci really delves into the territory of someone personally disliking her if they're her partner?
Like I could see Marci say this as either alignment but I don't see Marci doing this as S/S. Not impossible, but pretty unlikely.

Pooky/Marci/Dwlee is definitely a team you need to jump through a lot of hoops to make sense of, vs like any other team.

What makes me conflicted about Marci is that her being scum and getting swapped into here with Pooky as a partner is kinda ???

Scum were set to lose Sillyposting and throwing Marci in here is fairly likely to lead to a second loss so I'm not sure it really makes sense for them to do it.
Unless they were like "Meuh is conflicted enough on Marci that it's our only chance" which while that isn't ridiculous, I also don't find too likely.
I feel like they'd rather swap Pooky with scum somewhere else to secure a win that way, than to cross their fingers it works out for Marci. Unless there were 2 scum in SGB, and they literally couldn't.
So I think Marci!scum indicates RH9!town purely off of the swap and Pooky's alignment. Does that make any sense? imo in a theoretical RH9/Pooky/Marci world, Marci just gets thrown into Sillyposting over Pooky and scum try to win that way.

But for her personal level idk if I really buy Marci's reads, I think there's more significant hints of solving when she is town.

I think there are a few different ways to make the swap make sense.

We've covered Dwlee99/marci already but this forces one to swap into MD. Dwlee99 over would be fine IMO, it'd actually look really good depending on who flips first. So yeah, I think that's another weird hoop to jump through to justify that team.

I've covered Dragons/marci and why marci is the one to come over there with me remaining here.

RH9/marci makes a good bit of sense, even if not as much as Dragons/marci. I can see RH9 not really wanting to go against me, and clearing me is even more unpalatable. marcistar might think she can tonally manipulate you into a win and Pooky probably encourages her to give it a shot, YOLO.

Pooky is also on record from PYP as REALLY not wanting to go against me specifically, not because he thinks it's unwinnable but because it's a miserable experience for the entire game. It also looked like he specifically was targeting Luke/Penguin.

I'd also keep in mind that I strongly wanted to go into Sillyposting; I abandoned this after seeing Pooky immediately jump in with Luke. Pooky has a of respect for and faith in my scumgame, and in particular my planning and foresight. He leaves that game to me if I want it, 100%.

I also almost went into Sillyposting as a result of my townread on Luke and my confidence that I could solve the game, miserable though it may be. I held off because Luke specifically asked me not to come.

What makes Sillyposting getting resolved early particularly frustrating is that because Pooky flipped scum, we now have to deal with a team that only needs to win one more game to win the whole thing.
It makes them a lot more flexible and that makes tracking them down tougher. Associatives with Pooky are nice to have at least. However, associatives between any 2 players still alive are kinda tricky to rely on.

In post 891, Faker wrote:
RH9/marci makes a good bit of sense, even if not as much as Dragons/marci. I can see RH9 not really wanting to go against me, and clearing me is even more unpalatable. marcistar might think she can tonally manipulate you into a win and Pooky probably encourages her to give it a shot, YOLO.

I would have loved to go against you as scum.
It would be more fun anyways.
I wouldn't have anything to worry.
It's much better letting my scumpartner win in SGB than doing that myself.
It'll be easier.

As much as I want to believe it that third line is an...extremely strong statement and feels like a bluff. The first 2 I would buy.

In post 896, Faker wrote:As much as I want to believe it that third line is an...extremely strong statement and feels like a bluff. The first 2 I would buy.

How about the fourth?

LMAO

SGB is the easiest game for scum to win. It means it's easier if you think you've got a better chance to win against me in MD than marcistar would, which I'm honestly not sure if that's what you're arguing but part of me really hopes you are.

I'd love some RH9 trash talk about how you'd run my ass out of town NO SWEAT

In post 898, Faker wrote:LMAO

SGB is the easiest game for scum to win. It means it's easier if you think you've got a better chance to win against me in MD than marcistar would, which I'm honestly not sure if that's what you're arguing but part of me really hopes you are.

I'd love some RH9 trash talk about how you'd run my ass out of town NO SWEAT

I lost Wall last time as scum.
I think that MD allows for more coordinated pocketing by scum which I think marci is failing at.
But then, I'm Town so most of what I say is hypothetical and based off my experience in Open 840.