Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Menalque]

I love that spreadsheet so much btw pure boo

[Menalque]

“The Pink Ball”

[popsofctown]

Locking in the number of bussers you think there were, then using that to Poe player pools until they have to contain scum, is fallacious reasoning. The play of those players should inform your opinion of whether bussing happened at all.
It's like saying if I flip a coin twelve times there will usually be a run of three heads in a row, then flipping tails on flip nine and promising the next flip is heads.
Or all sorts of other backwards reasoning.

[popsofctown]

I'm not sure you should count the six minutes day 1 that I allowed firebringer to be hammered if 9 other people immediately voted him to be a "vote for firebringer" btw

[Pink Ball]

The play of those players should inform your opinion of whether bussing happened at all.

Yes, you're absolutely right. That's why I'm saying I want to fill the Excel sheet instead of just relying on the vote progression of some players. But it's a start. And I'm including my most solid reads into it too.

[Pink Ball]

Locking in the number of bussers you think there were, (...)

This is based on my reads tho, it's not random. I didn't say "I think there were 3 out of 5 bussers", I said "I'm scumreading Krazy and PP and townreading the players outside LLD's wagon, so there should be 3 scum on that wagon".

[popsofctown]

VCA is powerful in situations where bussing seems like an unlikely thing for the mafia to take part in and it's weaker the more plausible bussing (and reverse bussing, staying off mislynches) is for that gamestate. Characterizing LLD as a very bussable lynch and then saying that's why VCA is valuable is backwards.
VCA would be most valuable day 3, as the level of disagreement may have meant scum had to get there hands dirty to get a mislynch to come together

[popsofctown]

Ok pb

Well I'm not scum

I don't scumread Krazy but I could be wrong on that
And I definitely don't scumread firebringer and I don't care where he's voted.
We need to townlock a couple of the slots that deserve to be to have a shot this game

[Menalque]

Pops did you ever get back to me on 8692?

[Pine]

Wow, look at the rookie scum in the last two pages trying desperately to malign the decent Townies.

Rude.

[Menalque]

Wow, look at the rookie scum in the last two pages trying desperately to malign the decent Townies.

Rude.

Whereabouts? I thought no-one in this game was rookie scum

[Pink Ball]

PB based on that who do you think is most likely to flip scum from maria/gamma/fb/pops?

Also why do you think pops votehopping that much is more scum indicative than town indicative? I would expect scum to try and limit it somewhat more

I don't know. I wanted to get an answer of this question of course, but I don't know.

The votehopping looks weird on paper but D3 was pretty long so I don't know if it could be considered votehopping. I don't have much context on when did those votes happen.

The coordinated thing on D3 makes me think that Gamma is town in that group, but Gamma did vote chennis so yeah, I don't know.

[Krazy]

LLD was bussed. Krazy is one of them, the worst isn't.

You know PB I feel like I've asked you multiple times what is going on with your read of me and I still have no idea. You say you scumread me but never engage me, vote me and unvote me without explanation, when asked for explanation ignore me, and then start making wallposts that are like "krazy is scum and these people are town" -- like it's one thing to have a wrong read of me but it seems like you want to build a whole narrative out of a few arbitrary reads that you still, even in your massive post, don't actually explain. A summary of "this person votes this person" isn't an explanation of why you are selecting some number of players to be in an apparent lynchpool.

Maybe step away from the spreadsheet and spend 30 seconds giving me a straight answer as to why you are scumreading me, then not scumreading me, then scumreading me again?

[popsofctown]

If 8722 didn't help you Menalque you may need to rephrase your question so I get it

[Pink Ball]

Wow, look at the rookie scum in the last two pages trying desperately to malign the decent Townies.

Rude.

Is this towards me? I'm taking your advice dude what the hell

[Menalque]

How caught up are you PB? Have you read all of D4 at least?

[Menalque]

If 8722 didn't help you Menalque you may need to rephrase your question so I get it

I prob missed it lemme go look

[Menalque]

8722

[Pink Ball]

Ok pb

Well I'm not scum

I don't scumread Krazy but I could be wrong on that
And I definitely don't scumread firebringer and I don't care where he's voted.
We need to townlock a couple of the slots that deserve to be to have a shot this game

Do you have Menalque townlocked? Do you have anyone townlocked?

[Menalque]

I mean it didn’t super help me, no, because I feel like you were replying to only half the question, but I don’t think it’s super important

[Pink Ball]

How caught up are you PB? Have you read all of D4 at least?

All caught up, but focused on doing my thing after the worst told me he was interested in my take on this game when I said I was frustrated. That encouraged me on putting some effort as soon as I could, which was right now.

[Menalque]

Fuck I was really hoping you were gonna day you weren’t caught up

[Menalque]

Because I got to that exact same possible scumteam in 8425 so now I know that you read that I’m kinda interested why you didn’t engage with me more around the time if it was also the way your analysis was going?

Or all your analysis was done tonight?

Also I’m kinda paranoid bc I think you’re town but I think you would definitely be the one on the scumteam given the job of pocketing me if you were scum so do you see why it’s pinging me a little that you have exactly the same scum group as me?

[popsofctown]

Menalque is sorted town, not townlocked. Maybe should be townlocked.
The worst is recently townlocked. I just want to go lose to him now of he's scum. I like him as a candidate for purehearted busser. There's also the slight mech thing that makes him town.
GreyICE is townlocked for his day 2 play and. It napping after the bus.
Firebringer is townlocked because his motivations are really clearly town. His "loss of scumread" on mastina was a resonant emotional response to her wall assault. Ank moved him to her townreads at the end of the day and although deadsheeping her on chennis didn't work out great I give lots of respect to that
Dannflor I don't ever want to lynch, Ali seems to have a different philosophy though

[popsofctown]

*not napping