In post 8043, Lukewarm wrote:Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?
Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.
STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.
We did.
He says that we were close enough so we won't get modkilled for breaking the limit.
-Guanine
The punishment for breaking the posting restriction was
death
, and your role pm did not make that clear?!?
This
In post 8809, Roden wrote:C&G's post restriction sounds fake as fuck at this point
I just don't get why they'd make it up in the first place, and that's the only reason I don't want to hard push them atm
Also this ARGH
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:24 am
by Mislim Bait
In post 8844, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What is interesting is that most of the leading wagons this game have been on town - which means scum are driving the narrative of the game really well.
Of course, people won't look at certain other people because meta or some other BS until it gets to D4 or something and they start to open their eyes.
This meta circle jerk that goes on makes the game extremely difficult to play and difficult to insert myself into. I simply have to wait until meta players decide to reevaluate or even consider other viewpoints. It's usually too late by then though, it also gives scum players a great place to hide.
Dear Taly, You don't know who I am but I know who you are and I know what you done.
All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Taly or
Cephrir
.
NV: Everyone
I have literally never done VCA before in my LIFE, so feel free to tell me how bad this is.
But it
feels
unlikely that we had dueling town wagons on Frogster and Cephrir for multiple vote counts and 0 scum out of 5 decided to join either wagon.
(The following is in reverse chronological order)
VC 1.15: Johnny, Luke, Galron(Drap), BBT, and Pooky on one of the two wagons.
VC 1.14: The same
VC 1.13: Same +bell
VC 1.12: Same
-------
Movement after that: BBT wagon starts forming, with it being a majority confirmed town
5 BlueBloodedToffee (
Dunnstral
, Cat Scratch Fever,
Frogsterking
,
Cephrir
, PenguinPower)
As the BBT wagon starts, Dancing Puppets and Enchant both join the Frogster wagon, after staying off of it for many VCs.
inb4 BBT comes in to call this level 0, but I want to say that this looks like a BBT+enchant scum team tbh.
VCA is trash. Also, the nonmeme explaination is with so much posting a large amount of people missed large chunks of the game, so as wagons shifted around between like 8 people in the course of a few days some people had static votes for something kinda out of their control. Remember we got a whole host of people to 6 or 7 votes in relatively short amounts of time.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:26 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
You don't.
But simultaneously saying you bet someone will flip town without attempting to a) try and stop it or b) redirect elsewhere is scummy as shit. It's basically a told you so in waiting in the case of Town!Math to look good.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:27 am
by Mislim Bait
In post 8846, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You bet Mathblade is town = confident
But your read is flimsy so you won't defend = not confident?
Your sentences literally contradict each other
that sentence sounds completely fine put together lol
what are you trying to pull
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:28 am
by T-Bone
I also feel like it was the same I dunno, 10 people changing their votes and driving all the wagons? And then a few extra people contributed to the high post count without vote movement (me, for example).
I don't know what I'm really defending, I guess I'm trying to protect Luke from bad gameplay idk
100%. Reeks of TMI. Like, you're confident enough to say that Math will flip town but not confident enough to do anything about it?
In post 8846, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You bet Mathblade is town = confident
But your read is flimsy so you won't defend = not confident?
Your sentences literally contradict each other
BBT, I get the scum angle here, but how is it any more convincing than the town angle of "that's just literally how he's thinking about it"? He just joined the game yesterday. If he's town, doesn't it make sense that he'd be looking at the Math wagon and trying to figure out how legit it is, and after some time reading he might have that basic level of certainty/uncertainty? I mean shit, I've read the entire game and that's about the level of certainty I have on the Math wagon as well - not certain at all and something feels off.
Are you basing your vote on anything else besides this statement from him + Klick explaining town reads easier than scum reads?
But simultaneously saying you bet someone will flip town without attempting to a) try and stop it or b) redirect elsewhere is scummy as shit. It's basically a told you so in waiting in the case of Town!Math to look good.
oh I assure you that this would definitely happen but not in the case of 'wolf me trying to look good' but more of a 'I'm better than any town here' kind of scenario.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:47 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
But he said he bets Math will flip town - that shows he has at least what he feels is a solid read on Math. But despite this, he won't defend the slot.
I don't understand it at all.
Klick explaining town reads but not scum reads is scum indicative. It's extremely easy for scum to explain town reads because of the extra info they have. It's much more difficult for scum to fabricate scum reads on people they know are town.
However, due to Luke's VCs I have noticed something else. I looked at the wagons that had at least 5 votes...
Klick was on the Ceph, Math, Roden and Mala wagons. He was on 4 leading wagons at various points in the game.
Same for Bella. She was on Ceph, BBT, Roden and Mala. She has also recently positioned herself to rejoin my wagon should it take off. Extremely opportunistic, as was her comment regarding Math.
Pooky has been on 3 leading wagons - Ceph, Math and Frog.
CSF has been on 3 leading wagons - BBT, Roden and Mala.
DP has been on 3 leading wagons - Frog, Math and Mala.
Various people; BBT, Best Bird, Luke, Enchant and Prof have been on 2 leading wagons.
One of my main takeaways is that from all of this, Luke's main takeaway was that I stayed on wagons too long? Like what?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:48 am
by Mislim Bait
what are bbt's reads anyway? he's complaining about most wagons being town and that scum are controlling this game but his best vote is me who only got less than 40 posts
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:49 am
by Bellaphant
That's literally how klick plays.
Also, you've just proved a bunch of people voted together. Like they were playing mafia.
In post 8833, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:that's impossible to predict but you have to weigh the balance between fostering game apathy by waiting for a long time for something that might never show up and like actually just getting something done?
Let's keep in mind we're also waiting on a dwlee replacement, which I would think happens before the math replacement. So waiting on a math replacement to happen and for them to create some reasonable content to finally decide could mean days of waiting. We have also lost any more math input with regards to c&g pt interactions. I'm not sure how to best proceed there.
I'm lean scum on math right now but I'm not liking how he's the easiest push, even before the replace out. Like math himself and even corwin feel scummy but the conversation around his wagon since the beginning has also felt off, so I lose my confidence in it.
That’s a really good point. And also, this waiting days nonsense - like seriously dafuq? - Math replace out only just happened. It’s not like we’re at like d7 and that slot has yet to be filled. That whole thinking is seriously whack.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:51 am
by Dancing Puppets
Eta: meant d7 of d2 deadline to be clear.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:52 am
by Bellaphant
Like I'm not shocked that particularly I'm on wagons that two of my strongest town reads are on. Maths original point on you wasn't great but you sure have been throwing a lot at the wall since.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:52 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Right, I proved how Luke used the VCA and somehow managed to point the finger at me for being on two wagons and not notice that yourself and Klick have been sat on 4 different leading wagons during the game?
4 different wagons. Ceph and Roden being confirmed town as well (Roden not 100% but very likely)
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:52 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Bella if you're going to come for me, do it properly and commit.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:54 am
by Dancing Puppets
In post 8865, Bellaphant wrote:Like I'm not shocked that particularly I'm on wagons that two of my strongest town reads are on. Maths original point on you wasn't great but you sure have been throwing a lot at the wall since.
???
What and Who’s this in reference to?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:58 am
by Bellaphant
In response to bbt saying that me, klick and CSF were on a lot of wagons.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:59 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Why did you include CSF there?
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:00 am
by Bell
In post 8844, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What is interesting is that most of the leading wagons this game have been on town - which means scum are driving the narrative of the game really well.
Of course, people won't look at certain other people because meta or some other BS until it gets to D4 or something and they start to open their eyes.
This meta circle jerk that goes on makes the game extremely difficult to play and difficult to insert myself into. I simply have to wait until meta players decide to reevaluate or even consider other viewpoints. It's usually too late by then though, it also gives scum players a great place to hide.
Don't get it, town are perfectly capable of eating themselves alive without scum input.
But simultaneously saying you bet someone will flip town without attempting to a) try and stop it or b) redirect elsewhere is scummy as shit. It's basically a told you so in waiting in the case of Town!Math to look good.
Nah, I do this as town all the time. In fact, I did it this game with Cephrir.
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:01 am
by Bellaphant
You mentioned five people, separated out. Two of them are my strongest reads..so I mentioned them..I'm not sure why that needs a follow up q?