LOST (Game Over)

[Bellaphant]

Klick, me and CSF town read each other and voted together a lot. I think klick also felt better about pooky than I did.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'm gonna bet mathblade is town but I have the most flimsiest read so I'm not gonna save them

What a disgusting post

Seems to be a bit of an over reaction, no?

At any rate, these types of post usually come from town in my experience. Scum would be way more careful.

[Bell]

I'm curious why BBT isn't pushing a scum read.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Mislim Bait

? Because they were in your list?

So were Pooky and DP who were also on 3 wagons along with CSF.

[Dancing Puppets]

What is interesting is that most of the leading wagons this game have been on town - which means scum are driving the narrative of the game really well.

Of course, people won't look at certain other people because meta or some other BS until it gets to D4 or something and they start to open their eyes.

This meta circle jerk that goes on makes the game extremely difficult to play and difficult to insert myself into. I simply have to wait until meta players decide to reevaluate or even consider other viewpoints. It's usually too late by then though, it also gives scum players a great place to hide.

Don't get it, town are perfectly capable of eating themselves alive without scum input.

Yep, can definitely attest to that. See Schaad’s most recent pulpy potions game if anyone is doubting this for even a second.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm curious why BBT isn't pushing a scum read.

Are you fucking serious?

[Bell]

Yes.

[Bell]

I am getting tired of all the emotional baggage people are directing at me this game.
I'm not your punching bag.

[Bellaphant]

Klick, me and CSF town read each other and voted together a lot. I think klick also felt better about pooky than I did.

I voted with my town reads/my town reads voted with each other/with me.

I'm trying not to be reactionary right now: I don't think it's true that you and pd are scum who've decided together to make shit up and swear at me but it sure feels it right now.

[Bellaphant]

I am getting tired of all the emotional baggage people are directing at me this game.
I'm not your punching bag.

Mood

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But you're either not reading or being annoying on purpose so I'm not sure what you expect

[marcistar]

bell do u think im scum

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Above is @Bell.

I swore at you Bella?

[Dancing Puppets]

You don't.

But simultaneously saying you bet someone will flip town without attempting to a) try and stop it or b) redirect elsewhere is scummy as shit. It's basically a told you so in waiting in the case of Town!Math to look good.

Nah, I do this as town all the time. In fact, I did it this game with Cephrir.

Yeah, it’s much > than rand, that kind of post tends to come from town.

[Off The Hook]

bell do u think im scum

sometimes i wonder how i manage to do this shit

[Bell]

bell do u think im scum

Not really.

@BBT: Aren't you voting mathblade while essentially being apathetic about them?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I voted with my town reads/my town reads voted with each other/with me.

I'm trying not to be reactionary right now: I don't think it's true that you and pd are scum who've decided together to make shit up and swear at me but it sure feels it right now.

You don't need to be reactionary.

You lined yourself up well to join my wagon a few pages back.

Go for it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

bell do u think im scum

Not really.

@BBT: Aren't you voting mathblade while essentially being apathetic about them?

No I'm voting Mislim.

[Mislim Bait]

I think Ceph was town and I think some of the votes to eliminate them are incredibly suspect, but the motivation for why scum Ceph might go for the gladiate wasn't entirely terrible and given how the votes lined up, it's clear some townies bought into that.

malcom said something similar.
'

some votes on them are very suspect but the reason isn't entirely bad because some townies voted them

'

anyone have a read on malcolm?

[Bell]

And what's your case on klick/Miselim?

[Off The Hook]

bell do u think im scum

Not really.

@BBT: Aren't you voting mathblade while essentially being apathetic about them?

do u think rad is scum

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And what's your case on klick/Miselim?

ISO me

[Bell]

bell do u think im scum

Not really.

@BBT: Aren't you voting mathblade while essentially being apathetic about them?

do u think rad is scum

Yes.

And what's your case on klick/Miselim?

ISO me

Fair.

[Lukewarm]

Luke, the biggest problem with your VCA is context.

Sure, I was on the Ceph wagon for a while. But if you look at my ISO, you will see I simply wasn't around for large parts of the game. 400 posts at a time could happen between two of my posts.

I vote Ceph early, like 155 or something. I post again around 600 to say I will try to catch up and then during catch up, around post 1000 I start voting frog. So between my original vote in 155 and my change of vote literally 2 or 3 posts later we're at post 1000 or something (can't remember as I'm phone posting)

I feel you're missing a huge aspect of VCA.

There is a reason i did not vote with the VCA. I don't actually trust my ability to know what is important there. However, your point about moving from Ceph->Frog is kinda uncompelling since what I was looking at was the fact that ceph and frog were both wagons that existed simultaneous on flipped townies. I was listing everyone who was on either one, so going from one to the other is meaningless in that context I think?

Do you find DPs or Enchants votes to be independently scummy

or is it just because you're using pre-flip associatives?

No. It was specifically an "If BBT flips scum" comment

It was based around the fact that they both stayed off the frog wagon for most of the time it existed, but then show up on the frog wagon in the very first vote count after your wagon formed. For it to mean anything, it presumes your scum flip, and if you are town it probably meaningless.

Spoiler:

{Frog was one of the leading wagons for several vote counts}

Vote Count 1.16

6

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)

3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)

{Neither is on the wagon}

Vote Count 1.17

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

{BBT wagon forms}

Vote Count 1.18

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

{They both join the frog wagon}

[Off The Hook]

Yes

why?