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(Zach posting.)

Over the weekend I've been re-reading from around page 8.

I haven't been liking MOI's attacks on Furcolow from the early game, and reading up to page 20, he and others are still hitting on Furc for the night action controversy in what he claimed.

I'm not sure if it's been covered, or covered in a manner that's easy to understand, but for technical purposes Drippereth = El Goosuki. Drippereth is a part of the El Goosuki hydra and targeting Drippereth MEANS HE TARGETED EL GOOSUKI.

The people attacking him from page 8 to page 20 (Where my read is at the moment) are either incapable of understanding this, or are scum trying to bury him in rhetoric of a lie that doesn't exist.

I'd be happy to lynch pretty much anyone that was on him including MOI and Seacore, and I noticed Seacore was attacking Furc a lot on the matter, and Seacore is a more viable wagon than MOI from looking at the last vote count, so I'm happy to move our vote there, given that I don't see a whole ton of support going to MOI anyway.

k well, I'm obv down with a Seacore lynch, I just don't understand why there was opposition when I was pushing it before, but once I left, people started getting on left and right. lulz

Bit curious about this Seacore wagon, now. What's the purpose? We've got 8 days to go, there's no information you guys particularly seem to be looking for from him, and yet you're happy to take much of the pressure off other suspects who haven't talked so much - like Bowser, <redacted> and <redacted>, for example.

, very interested in your votes in this regard.

P.S. Rethought pinging my other scumreads on the preview screen; since I'm not ready to explain them. One at a time, easy as she goes.

(Plum, , AurorusVox, totallynotmafia, Trilobite, ReaperCharlie)
(VP Baltar, xvart, Furcolow, Fate)
(SpyreX, MagnaofIllusion, , El Goosuki)
(Benmage, Wickedestjr, hitorogoshi)
(Triglav, , Lost Butterfly)
(Super Smash Bros. Fan, Furpants_Tom)
(, VasudeVa)
(Baby Spice)
(manho)
(Andrius)
Wickedestjr - 0 ()
SpyreX - 0 ()
Fate - 0 ()

Not Voting - 5 (Bowser, , Feysal, kunkstar7, rewq455, Seacore)

xvart wrote:Hmm. "All Cultists who selected Participate in the Ritual gain an Insanity. If the target was not Murdered, they also become Bloody, even if the kill was prevented by Resuscitate."

Mod: Is the "they" in this sentence the Cultists, or the target?

Furpants_Tom wrote:Bit curious about this Seacore wagon, now. What's the purpose? We've got 8 days to go, there's no information you guys particularly seem to be looking for from him, and yet you're happy to take much of the pressure off other suspects who haven't talked so much - like Bowser, <redacted> and <redacted>, for example.

Attention: Trilobite and hitogoroshi

, very interested in your votes in this regard.

P.S. Rethought pinging my other scumreads on the preview screen; since I'm not ready to explain them. One at a time, easy as she goes.

SURE, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT OVER THE NEXT 70-80 PAGES OF DAY ONE! (Which we're headed for at the rate we're going.)

We've taken a clear position on Seacore and explained why we think he's scummy. I think that's plenty of explanation. I'm not going to fill this thread with a text wall that will ultimately have nothing to do with what position we ultimately take at the end of the post. The problem with these kinds of games is TOO MUCH POSTING, NOT ENOUGH BANDWAGONING in the early game.

I don't want more walls of rubbish, I'd rather you thought up a decent question you wanted Seacore, Bowser, or anyone else to answer, and then asked it. Succinctly.

But a quick day is a scum day, I don't fancy snipping a week off because you've gotten jack of the posting habits of the rude and voluble denizens of WIFOM alley.

Furpants_Tom wrote:I don't want more walls of rubbish, I'd rather you thought up a decent question you wanted Seacore, Bowser, or anyone else to answer, and then asked it. Succinctly.

But a quick day is a scum day, I don't fancy snipping a week off because you've gotten jack of the posting habits of the rude and voluble denizens of WIFOM alley.

OMG 6 votes, he's totally going to be lynched with a week left on the deadline!

And it's not like we haven't gotten any information out of what we've read... but at the end of the day, with all the people we suspect, we're only going to end up lynching one of them.

Also... not sure why you expect us to ask questions of Seacore. Is it impossible that we understand his play and simply see scum motivation behind what he's doing?

So far the case against me seems to be that I attacked Benmage and Furc.

I attacked Benmage for acting anti-town. I don't think anybody can argue against the fact that basing a N0 action on a personal grudge is anti town. Deeper into my Benmage case was my dislike that many people seemed willing to give him one of the three murders necessary to win as murderer, for free.
Since then, people have mentioned that Benmage can be thoroughly examined and attacked in later Days, and this satisfies me.

I attacked Furc because, to me, it seems he's been caught out on a lie. I find it hard to believe that Percy would not have at least clarified why El Gooski got the target. Furc's reaction to the attack was a whole bunch of OMGUS, he declared found scum in just about anybody who said "dude, I don't think you're confirmed town". Lets make this clear. I don't find the idea that he requested Drippereth and was given El Gooski dodgy. What I find dodgy is that he didn't know why it happened, and I would imagine that would have been explained in the PM.
Also, please note the context, the majority of my Furc attack came in one time period when he, myself and just a few other people were online. So it was very easy to get into a back and forth. That always exagerates how "tunelling" somebody is.

Finally, I think somebody thought I was scummy for the way I defended myself, but I'll need that side of things restated.

Anyway, I don't take back anything I've said about my Benmage case or my Furc case. Benmage has acted anti-town, regardless of his role/alignment. And furc has likely lied. But I'm also satisfied with watching them for the next few days, and I'll start the painful process of ISOing other cases tonight, although I'm struggling to find good targets, I keep seeing really strong town-tells.

Trilobite wrote:Also... not sure why you expect us to ask questions of Seacore. Is it impossible that we understand his play and simply see scum motivation behind what he's doing?

If you don't want to ask Seacore a question, why aren't you asking someone else a question? It's great that you think you've caught scum, but there are a dozen players in this game (including, I'd say, me) who have contributed 7/8's of bugger all to the conversation. If you're still alive on Day 5, you're going to wish you'd pinned them down to a few more positions, and left them a little less wiggle room for the strange and disconcerting things they've casually dropped into the conversation (lest they be called lurkers).

Forget Seacore for a while and get Socratic, baby.

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

Furcolow wrote:

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

But what's worrying me is that there's one or two people who DO think that there's really good reason to believe he's Town. I'm not seeing it, but. I want to know.

Furcolow wrote:

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

Wow, just wow. What exactly have you brought to the game Furc? Your list of certain scum? Please wait until I'm lynched and revealed as somebody with 0 insanity points before you answer that.

Hey Seacore: are you cult?

ReaperCharlie wrote:Hey Seacore: are you cult?

Let me quickly confer in my QT...


No, I'm an investigator.

Seacore wrote:

Furcolow wrote:

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

Wow, just wow. What exactly have you brought to the game Furc? Your list of certain scum? Please wait until I'm lynched and revealed as somebody with 0 insanity points before you answer that.

well i've managed to get myself confirmed to the majority of the game, as an uninformed minority, so that's bringing something!

IF you ARE an investigator, which I DOUBT, you need to find new targets
Being confirmed really suits

Seacore, you have only been attacking me since i FoSed you honestly

Seacore wrote:

Furcolow wrote:

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

Wow, just wow. What exactly have you brought to the game Furc? Your list of certain scum? Please wait until I'm lynched and revealed as somebody with 0 insanity points before you answer that.

Is this the person who wanted to lynch Benmage because if nothing else he was anti-Town and what better lynch could you expect Day 1?

Because all I'm saying is that's kinda rich, mister super-defensive I-have-zero-insanities (and excuse me? So you're Cult who got a Rez Kit last Night or something? What's zero insanities supposed to be proving, anyway?).

Seacore wrote:

ReaperCharlie wrote:Hey Seacore: are you cult?

Let me quickly confer in my QT...


No, I'm an investigator.

That's a special response.

i'd like to see wickedestjr and SSBF move to Seacore/Lost Butterfly

I'm going to try this again because unless I've missed the response which I don't think I have:

WHAT IS THE CASE/DEAL ON SEACORE THANKS IN ADVANCE.

Additionally AV what's the deal with "I was totally the first to say Fur was town" being absolutely full of lies?

OTHER EXCITING NEWS:

TNM wrote:Ha it would be funny if he meant to post that in the scum QT.

TNM wrote:Unvote, Vote: Fate

If those were one post MAYBE I could dig. Why that two minute pause to throw out a failure of a vote?

Furpants wrote: Dumb case is dumb. Fate is annoying and overly sure of himself; sadly, there's no town win condition to do with thread aesthetics. I've run out of useful questions for SpyreX, though, so it's not fair to hold my vote there.

Out of those tingling my scumdar and not already dogpiled,

I choose Bowser. SSBF's recent post summed up the mystery wrapped in not-paying-attention flavor he's giving out, so I have a question: Hey Bowser, what's your opinion of rewq?

Italics wants a friend to explain why its there.

Plum wrote:

Seacore wrote:

Furcolow wrote:

unvote;
vote: seacore

even if this guy is town, he will not help us
he obviously is incapable

Wow, just wow. What exactly have you brought to the game Furc? Your list of certain scum? Please wait until I'm lynched and revealed as somebody with 0 insanity points before you answer that.

Is this the person who wanted to lynch Benmage because if nothing else he was anti-Town and what better lynch could you expect Day 1?

Because all I'm saying is that's kinda rich, mister super-defensive I-have-zero-insanities (and excuse me? So you're Cult who got a Rez Kit last Night or something? What's zero insanities supposed to be proving, anyway?).

Seacore wrote:

ReaperCharlie wrote:Hey Seacore: are you cult?

Let me quickly confer in my QT...


No, I'm an investigator.

That's a special response.

Well you'll have to wait at least until Day 2 before seeing that I'm an investigator, but as soon as a die you'll see 0 insanities. The two of them combined will prove that I'm town.

And what kind of response do you expect from a question like RC's?

Plum wrote:
Is this the person who wanted to lynch Benmage because if nothing else he was anti-Town and what better lynch could you expect Day 1?

Sorry, I missed this in the first read.

Yes. I wanted to lynch Benmage because at worst he was someone planning to go Murderer and at very best he was anti-town. (Throw in a vague chance he was cult, but I found that less likely)

Uh, no, just seeing you as Investigator will be enough, thanks.

Response to RC's questions might've been just 'No, not Cult' - as opposed to joking around a bit; admittedly it's not much of a tell, hence the 'special' response to it.

Still v. rich coming from you. The question was rhetorical, so a literal response doesn't count for much.

SpyreX wrote:

Furpants wrote:

Out of those tingling my scumdar and not already dogpiled,

I choose Bowser.

Italics wants a friend to explain why its there.

Because there's no point throwing more questions at people who are already being interrogated adequately. I'm looking for people who are ducking attention.

if you are an investigator why are you suspicious of me for warding?
are you claiming i didnt ward?
if you are claiming i didnt ward, why would i claim ward BEFORE ANYONE ELSE?
if I didn't ward, why did El Goosuki hear noise?
i also read that wards would cause you to hear noise, but percy changed the rule on me
furthermore, i really thought my ward had gone down alphabetically at one point


how is this not convincing to you, seacore?
if you want to HELP the town, find some scum

^answer these seacore

No, investigator isn't enough. And thats what you seem to not be understanding. Investigators include some potential murderers.

If we lynched somebody today and they flipped Investigator with 1 insanity point then I would say "Yay, we caught ourselves a potential murderer"

Because nobody should have laundered, nobody has claimed cowered and unless I've missed it, nobody but Benmage has claimed stalk.

Only an investigator with 0 insanity points should be considered a mislynch. Today anway, this obviously needs recalculation as the days proceed and insanity points become a little harder to dodge.