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And there goes my edit being ruined by a new page.

"There a multitude of other factors"

English is a silly language.

I like what i see.
I also.add that the attack on me for things syr didnt say adds.

Ill think if voided/serra makes sense as a team..

In post 901, shos wrote:

!vote serra

I like what i see.
I also.add that the attack on me for things syr didnt say adds.

Ill think if voided/serra makes sense as a team..

Still hanging on the oblivious point?

And please explain that because I wanna know where that came from.

relatedly, I'm beginning to agree more with Tierce and Syryana on serra.

No x in vote, Voided.

<_<

Why isn't this damn thing working

Tierce you need to help me out here

And one or both of Molla/Oversoul needs to stop being bad

Tierce needs to do a lot of things, including moving objects from {floorspace} to {bookshelfspace}. haven't got to this (and of course the pile gets bigger every time whee procrastination). Will look over both serra and Syryana today.

Syryana--when did you get a Townread on me?

I don't have a townread on you. Where'd you get that idea?

It's the second time you mention someone sucking up to me/treating me with kid gloves; first Oversoul, then serrapaladin. You're calling people out on buddying me. Now you ask for my vote. Why , if I'm not a Townread? Why the specific separation from Oversoul and BBmolla?

And because you had a photo of a puppy. That was the most important bit. u^.^u

In post 909, Tierce wrote:It's the second time you mention someone sucking up to me/treating me with kid gloves; first Oversoul, then serrapaladin. You're calling people out on buddying me. Now you ask for my vote. Why

me

, if I'm not a Townread? Why the specific separation from Oversoul and BBmolla?

And because you had a photo of a puppy. That was the most important bit. u^.^u

I called you out specifically because you're the only one not voting. That makes you different from OS and BB, who are voting me.

...Jesus.

I counted nine alive, and only saw six votes, and assumed BB and Oversoul were not voting with me even though they were on the voting-you list and I knew you don't have a vote.

I need coffee, badly.

You should probably get on that

I'm probably going to pass out shortly, I'll see what you come up with later

I am going to work but I am excited to see a Serra and a Syr wagon at the same time.
I'll read this tonight.

Wow, Syry is keen to get me lynched. I've never seen town-Syry like this...

What about your post should I have reread, Rufflig? I don't care about you claiming as Syry is a much better lynch, and I doubt you're his partner. Then, you haven't given any indication as to why shos/Syry doesn't make sense. shos being scum without Voided does make sense. He will want to send 1 ability to a townie, to confirm his role. Any further ones would be too risky, so he would either send them to his teammate (Syry), or not send them at all. That's why he claimed to have targeted Pim... It's not as though he crumbed it or anything, he just retroactively decided to claim Pim was his target.

In post 914, serrapaladin wrote:Wow, Syry is keen to get me lynched. I've never seen town-Syry like this...

Do you want fries with that mudslinging?

What's wrong with wanting you lynched if he thinks you're scum? You didn't have an issue with me going after Parama (he flipped Town--why didn't you go after me then?) or after Syryana, but now it's scummy of Syryana to want your lynch?

I'm saying it's telling that Syry is suddenly so aggressively sure of a scumread, when he is the only other viable lynch. Compare his current tone to that of 478 or something. I'm pretty sure this isn't MyLo, so we have a lynch in hand.

"Suddenly so aggressively sure of a scumread"? He was just as fierce with Parama, and you didn't have an issue then. The posts that followed 478 were pushing for Parama's lynch. That was blatant mudslinging; Syryana an aggressive player when he has his head in the game, and pinning it to him being "the only other viable lynch" is crap reasoning.

#YOVO

Thanks for that motivational push.

In post 778, serrapaladin wrote:Scummy stuff Syr has done:

1. Considering the game mountainous when people were talking about roles.
   
2. Random OMGUS vote of Rufflig.
   
3. Wanting to lynch Para while he was afk.
   
4. Pointing suspicion at me for defending him, when I was attacking Rufflig's post.
   
5. Backpedaling on that attack, calling it a reaction test, and voting Voided for allegedly ruining the reaction test. His VM vote was just a cheap attempt to sell the idea that he was actually reaction testing.
   
6. Voting UT for lack of content (which is not necessarily alignment indicative) and being on the Varsoon wagon (which Syr was, too).
   
7. Not posting in pseudo-twilight when Para was fakehammered.
   
8. His entire case on me relies on me asking questions that haven't led to me finding scum, when he hasn't been doing any better. He literally only quotes a few of my posts, without any indication of why they're bad...

1. Not scummy. How does this help him as scum?
   
2. Why do you think it's scummy to make an OMGUSy vote in those conditions?
   
3. It was a joke. And it wouldn't be the first time I've seen scum lynched while on V/LA, so it's not like his absence indicated alignment.
   
4. See below.
   
5. Please develop these two points. You're just looking at behaviors; what's the scum motivation behind it?
   
6. That's fine, but hypocrisy is not inherently scummy, it's a sign of lack of self-awareness which is often irrelevant re: alignment.
   
7. Possible, but not entirely alignment indicative for Syryana.
   
8. Hypocrisy is
   stupid
   , it's not scummy. And if you
   are
   asking pointless questions, yes, that is a scumtell. See above-mentioned mudslinging. Questions that are just intended to paint others in a negative light are not scumhunting, they are scumtools.

I want 4 and 5 developed. The rest of your case on Syryana is bad and just looks at behaviors that are not helpful to Town, but are not scummy by nature.

Need to go through 886 and 898 still.

In post 916, serrapaladin wrote:I'm saying it's telling that Syry is suddenly so aggressively sure of a scumread, when he is the only other viable lynch. Compare his current tone to that of 478 or something. I'm pretty sure this isn't MyLo, so we have a lynch in hand.

This is honestly terrible. As for why, well, Tierce said it before me, so.

You like meta right, Tierce? Try this and tell me more about how this is town-Syry...

In post 921, serrapaladin wrote:You like meta right, Tierce? Try this and tell me more about how this is town-Syry...

I prefer extraordinarily eccentric. How are you comparing a game in which he died N1 and had no real information to go on + was a cop (therefore could expect to work mostly from his Night results and could have a tamer Dayplay) to a game that is in D3? Why don't tell me why it's scum behavior? I don't have to do your research for you, you were the one bringing up this apparent discrepancy in behavior.

He wants you lynched because he believes you are scum. He doesn't have a vote, so he needs further incentive for others to vote you. This makes perfect sense regardless of alignment, and it is not scummy of him to want you lynched over him.

I'll try to get to this tonight but I am going out

In post 914, serrapaladin wrote:What about your post should I have reread, Rufflig?

In post 893, The Rufflig wrote:I'm not third party. I'm town. I can prove it.

In post 895, serrapaladin wrote:If you're a survivor, you don't actually have any interest in lynching scum, so that would make the most sense to me.

I'll say it again, I can prove that I am a townie. My ability is not given to mafia or third parties. My ability is demonstrable, so you don't have to take my word that I have such an ability. In essence, I can confirm myself as a townie. Do you need the proof?

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I've made my justification of shos and Syryana not making sense before, but perhaps I've made an assumption that I shouldn't have. I'll walk through it once more. Shos claimed to be an inventor. Voided Mafia has confirmed that shos is an inventor of some flavor. If shos is scum, then he must be a malfunctioning inventor. I've assumed the chance of an invention malfunctioning is 50/50 from a malfunctioning inventor based on the wording of the role -- but it isn't spelled out. A mafia shos leaving Voided Mafia unblocked and alive therefore has a 50% chance of being exposed as scum. I don't see the mafia taking on that much risk to try and prove shos is town. Thus, if shos is scum, then Voided Mafia would have to be shos' partner. So let me repeat the key points. If shos is mafia then he can not rely on his invention to work properly. If it doesn't work properly, then he will be exposed as scum. A scum shos can't just send an invention to a townie to prove himself with no followup against that townie without great risk to himself.

If you know for a fact that the odds of a malfunctioning inventors' invention to malfunction is significantly lower, then I'll agree that shos could be scum and indeed be scum with someone besides Voided Mafia. Otherwise, a shos/Syryana pairing does not work for me.