Mini 1449 - Ordinary Town

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

hap, you should just sheep us and vote HP

[Varsoon]

Wow... low access for a bit and this is what I come back to?

Actually if you think about the part of the claim I latched onto from acfan early this claim from us (we actually debated just being outright with it) isn't a bad thing. I will just get a little more blatant with scum though to play more on WIFOM since apparently im playing with a bit of an impatient pony as a partner.

We are one shot tracker. Acfan made the scum kill N1. So we are out of shots. As I said, being limited shot was why I liked the acfan claim so much, it basically fit what I was expecting to see from the mod (group of X-Shot roles, maybe a few full roles). From the start we were planning to track acfan though, I was really hoping to get a town-esq result on him (targeted us/hap) and have zef die as that's an instant claim bringing in two confirmed town and WIFOM.

Will just leave scum with that WIFOM though, of if we were one shot or not (lets be honest - they are going to be wondering that). The debate was had over what to do with our result, I wanted to just try and get him lynched through some odd stuff (which I did somewhat agree with, I did say if we didn't die acfan was somewhat likely scum overnight) but would claim if that's what it took. Still don't think we needed to but am going to just lay out all of the pieces of the puzzle for you on our role so if there is any doc type role they can have a better idea as what to do.

So there. Full claim.

CP and hp would be my top two picks for scum here.

Varsoon, Daemon, hap and lesser but still sorta GCBC all read town to me.

Pony out.

I -really- don't like this.
This sort of claim is why I lost my first game on this site.
I'm really unsure of what to think here.

[hapahauli]

Yeah I have mixed feelings about those HP quotes.

It certainly pushes scum-objectives, but the thought process does seem genuine. It's very spur of the moment.

I hate Cheery's response to the wagon a lot more. He basically ignores everything that's going on, and tries to spread suspicion on multiple people.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4956397

[hapahauli]

Wow... low access for a bit and this is what I come back to?

Actually if you think about the part of the claim I latched onto from acfan early this claim from us (we actually debated just being outright with it) isn't a bad thing. I will just get a little more blatant with scum though to play more on WIFOM since apparently im playing with a bit of an impatient pony as a partner.

We are one shot tracker. Acfan made the scum kill N1. So we are out of shots. As I said, being limited shot was why I liked the acfan claim so much, it basically fit what I was expecting to see from the mod (group of X-Shot roles, maybe a few full roles). From the start we were planning to track acfan though, I was really hoping to get a town-esq result on him (targeted us/hap) and have zef die as that's an instant claim bringing in two confirmed town and WIFOM.

Will just leave scum with that WIFOM though, of if we were one shot or not (lets be honest - they are going to be wondering that). The debate was had over what to do with our result, I wanted to just try and get him lynched through some odd stuff (which I did somewhat agree with, I did say if we didn't die acfan was somewhat likely scum overnight) but would claim if that's what it took. Still don't think we needed to but am going to just lay out all of the pieces of the puzzle for you on our role so if there is any doc type role they can have a better idea as what to do.

So there. Full claim.

CP and hp would be my top two picks for scum here.

Varsoon, Daemon, hap and lesser but still sorta GCBC all read town to me.

Pony out.

I -really- don't like this.
This sort of claim is why I lost my first game on this site.
I'm really unsure of what to think here.

Can you describe the context of that other claim?

I'd be skeptical of the claim too if not for
a) it confirmed scum and
b) Jake/Rainbow have been acting extremely engaged/active/involved/townie outside of the claim

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I -really- don't like this.
This sort of claim is why I lost my first game on this site.
I'm really unsure of what to think here.

what specifically don't you like about the claim?

also I just checked your first game was a newbie game where you pretty much know the setup going in, I don't see how that relates, can you explain please?

-J

[hapahauli]

hap, you should just sheep us and vote HP

No need to sheep yet. We've got plenty of time.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

) Jake/Rainbow have been acting extremely engaged/active/involved/townie outside of the claim

if I recall you were starting to think we were scum as the day progressed, so aren't you fibbing a little here?

I mean we were engaged and all that jazz that you are saying, but that is not how you TRULY felt before our claim is it?

-J

[hapahauli]

) Jake/Rainbow have been acting extremely engaged/active/involved/townie outside of the claim

if I recall you were starting to think we were scum as the day progressed, so aren't you fibbing a little here?

I mean we were engaged and all that jazz that you are saying, but that is not how you TRULY felt before our claim is it?

-J

I was being an idiot at the end of yesterday. 3 days of not-posting does wonders to clear your mind.

[Varsoon]

In my first game on-site, we were in a LYLO situation and one of the outspoken town (who was actually scum) counter-claimed and got his buddy lynched. He then pushed a case against the weaker player in the LYLO, and I hammered it, since I was reading the slot as scum for a majority of the game.

Regardless, I'm really nervous of claims that are given in regards to scum-flips.
I'd feel A LOT more comfortable if I could know Jake's alignment, and the only way I can do that is with a NK or a flip.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

oh I see, Varsoon got duped by the mafia goon.

setup was either mafia RC/doc/all VTs OR mafia RC/Doc/Jailkeeper/VTs

goon claimed JK and tricked varsoon.

ah kind of feel bad for you but I don't see how that is anywhere similar to our claim.

- J

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

I'd feel A LOT more comfortable if I could know Jake's alignment

I can tell you our alignemnt


we are town

better now?

-J

[hapahauli]

In my first game on-site, we were in a LYLO situation and one of the outspoken town (who was actually scum) counter-claimed and got his buddy lynched. He then pushed a case against the weaker player in the LYLO, and I hammered it, since I was reading the slot as scum for a majority of the game.

Regardless, I'm really nervous of claims that are given in regards to scum-flips.
I'd feel A LOT more comfortable if I could know Jake's alignment, and the only way I can do that is with a NK or a flip.

I'm generally assuming from the lack of NK that scum targeted Jake and a doctor/jailkeeper/whatever saved him. So I'm not really too fearful.

I'd be somewhat afraid if he's alive at LYLO, but until then, he's almost assuredly town.

[hapahauli]

Anyway Jake, what do you think about my analysis on Scott? I have him as scum over HP right now.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Regardless, I'm really nervous of claims that are given in regards to scum-flips.

considering what happened to you, I totally understand where you are coming from.

but you have to look at the context of how we claimed. we tried to avoid claiming, we just pushed really really hard. when people started talking about ac being town because his claim change, that is when I had to say something.

it's that kind of behavior that really doesn't make sense if I was scum with AC, going through that much work for a bus while possible form your pov, it's a very elaborate bus. And as Hap said, if we are still alive before we get to MYLO we can discuss this again.

-J

p.edit - have to read in in detail, but I can't imagine anything you have typed would have me vote scott over HP.

I don't town read Scott at all, but I have him higher than you simply because of your tapdance around AC's lynch yesterday. :shrug:

my order would be HP/CP & Dyslx (about even), you. Scott probably 4th I guess

[hapahauli]

me? why me T_T

You know I almost got ac lynched from 0 suspicion against him on Day 1 right?

[Varsoon]

So, then, who is scum?

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

because of your tapdance around AC's lynch yesterday

[hapahauli]

Two of Scott, CP, and HP probably. I really doubt there was any bussing involved on Day 1. Maybe D2, but not D1.

[hapahauli]

because of your tapdance around AC's lynch yesterday

Sigh. Doesn't mean you can ignore the rest of my filter and the infinite time and energy I spent trying to kill the guy before a 1-hour derp on my part.

[Varsoon]

vote: Cheery Pie

This is how I was feeling before the whole,
"Wait, am I being tricked" moment.

[hapahauli]

vote: Cheery Pie

This is how I was feeling before the whole,
"Wait, am I being tricked" moment.

Paranoia is good, but it can wait for the time being. There are far better people than Jake to worry about right now.

[Cheery Pie]

Okay, pony part here and here is where we are at

1) We don't have any result for you, obviously that means we got blocked/are one shot. Will still let scum guess which.

Wouldn't scum presumably already know if you were blocked or not? (I guess they can won't know if it was a useful block - but they'd still know?)

Unless there's a town JK.

I think the one thing that vindicates Dyslexicon right now is that he was the quickest person to act on the ac1983fan wagon when it first came up on Day 1.

He was also the person that originally brought acfan to your attention, I think it's fairly safe Dyslexicon is town.

I'd feel A LOT more comfortable if I could know Jake's alignment

I can tell you our alignemnt


we are town

better now?

-J

Not with me, since I had this whole argument about Varsoon day 1.

So, then, who is scum?

Fairly sure it's still you, even though you have managed to stop trying to cause truth my repetition now.

vote: Cheery Pie

This is how I was feeling before the whole,
"Wait, am I being tricked" moment.

So what caused those feelings then?

---

Now that Jake's claimed, and I'm fairly sure he wouldn't have gone that heavy bussing when in reality it was only me & Pie really suspecting him and I'm therefore reading him town, I feel the kuribo kill may be pointing towards HP or Scott as people that may have known him in his prime.
GCBC isn't out of the woodwork either.

But it's probably also something that I'm looked at why Toomai has been scumread, even by me, and I think the whole thing is nothing.

[hapahauli]

@ Cheery

Firstly, respond to this:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4982689

Secondly, nothing in that above post is anything of value. You mention you're suspicious of like 4-5 players, but virtually no analysis.

[Cheery Pie]

panics, hapa still going on about me apparently doing nothing and other useless statements of no worth or proof that I'm this

obvscum

.

Questioning your town-reads is fine. However when it comes at the expense of questioning your scumreads, we have problems. You can't scum-hunt by questioning a small portion of people you find town.

i.e. Varsoon. You're questioning your town-reads more than the guy you're actually voting. Reaaaaallllyyyy?

My vote was on Jake thankyou very much. (because the Varsoon one never counted)

But actually look at all my posts yesterday, and you'll turn out to be wrong in that regard as well. Like right about my question to acfan

Maybe I'm not repeating my unanswered questions to him enough, but it's hard to continue to ask questions when they don't actually answer.

And this is the problem. You

assumed

he was telling the truth. Which is a problem, given that I can't find a single place in your filter where you call him a town-read.

I thought people here were capable of putting 2 and 2 together, apparently not.

but sorry for giving someone the benefit of the doubt?

and your other question isn't getting a response, but with how last night turned out, I'm fairly sure it's now fact.

[hapahauli]

@ Cheery

My vote was on Jake thankyou very much. (because the Varsoon one never counted)

But actually look at all my posts yesterday, and you'll turn out to be wrong in that regard as well. Like right about my question to acfan

Maybe I'm not repeating my unanswered questions to him enough, but it's hard to continue to ask questions when they don't actually answer.

Stop griping on technicalities. Who cares if you didnt' "officially" vote Varsoon or whatever. Fact is, you think he's scum, yet this is the only thing you said yesterday on the subject:

Maybe if you actually paid attention to it yesterday instead of trying to make truth via repetition. I still don't believe it btw, and you now announcing you've forgotten everything doesn't help.

You're clearly not interested in finding out Varsoon's allignment. You're plenty interested in calling him scum though for barely substantiated reasoning.

I thought people here were capable of putting 2 and 2 together, apparently not.

but sorry for giving someone the benefit of the doubt?

and your other question isn't getting a response, but with how last night turned out, I'm fairly sure it's now fact.

Townies don't randomly give people "the benefit of the doubt" after incredibly strange claims. If you had no reason to think he's town, why on earth would you give him the benefit of the doubt?