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Yes, discussion was stopped, but we started the next day down a not-very-vocal player and with a much better sense of the lay of the land. And it wasn't a small wagon, like a 5p LyLo one where each vote had massive impact. Sure, we didn't have the hammer vote to analyse, but there were five other votes there. Do you think there's nothing relevant left? Since I'm your top scum read, I assume you think I was colluding with Stubbs to let him end the day. Knowing that I'm town, I'm most suspicious of Toomai:In post 898, fferyllt wrote:For the usual reasons. To stop discussion cold and to deprive town of a full bandwagon to analyze.
And MSG:In post 588, Toomai wrote:Theme games are often a bit more power-heavy than normal games.In post 587, RachMarie wrote:I also find the level of claims and partial claims a bit unbelievable in a game that is not role madness.
I know I said I was going to vote JW, but the Stubbs claim seems wronger and wronger the more I think about it. It just doesn't fit, not in flavour nor with LnGrrrR's claim (which is much more believable). Besides, even though JW is being unhelpful, his claim is still reasonably believable.
Vote: StubbsKVM
The votes come from a slot--MSG--who voted Stubbs at the end of Day One versus Toomai who spent all of Day One saying Stubbs was suspect yet always had a reason not to vote.In post 596, MSG wrote:Whenever I look back at the d1 posts I'm inclined to go back to my original read on the 2 JOATs. Although I don't like the way he plays, JasonWazza was a lot more forthcoming about his JOAT powers and abilities (post 310.) StubbsKVM has ignored all questions to expand on the "1-shot roleblock, 1-shot doc and 1-shot cop" claim (post 257.) No detail about the claimed roleblock (post 472,) but it does provide a convenient excuse for having no result.
Am I flip-flopping? Yeah, I suppose, but it seems to me most likely that 1 of the 2 JOATs is not town. (More likely than both being town, which is more likely than both are lying scum.) I just can't see how we could have the 3 town power roles in a 13-player game. Scum would have to have some serious firepower to balance it out.
I think I just reached the same conclusion as Toomai and RachMarie. VOTE: StubbsKVM
@ Penguin, regarding your "vocal" player, I am not sure what you mean by vocal. LngrrrR had the highest post count at that time and is still one of few players with 100+ posts.Maybe your wagon is all town, and you want people to question if you're being bussed, so you self-hammer to show that scum had given up on your survival. Maybe your scumbuddies are on your wagon, and you want to make it look like that's what happened. Maybe the discussion is heading in the right direction and you want to cut it short. Maybe it's heading in the wrong direction and you want to make it look like you wanted to cut it short because it was heading in the right direction.
I do too. I'd prefer to lynch PA over Toomai.In post 896, fferyllt wrote:Both of who?In post 895, RachMarie wrote:fery why are you so sold on both of them being town? Who do you think is scum then?
PA and Toomai are in my scumpile. And maybe Nacho. I feel strongest about PA.
I think his lynch was inevitable. He hammered when it became a matter of not whether he would be lynched but when he would be lynched. Note the posts preceding his hammer.In post 903, penguin_alien wrote:For Stubbs to self-hammer when his lynch wasn't inevitable and would provide us with the first scum flip, he had to have good reason to do it. Otherwise why not let a scum teammate hammer him for the cred? Unless they're both on the wagon, but in that case I'd bet on Toomai being one of them anyways.
If Syr was scum and hammered providing reasoning of his own, people may use it against him. If Syr was town and townslipped while hammering (perhaps by saying something about the flip that only an uninformed player would say), people might realize he was town.In post 913, penguin_alien wrote:So why not let someone else hammer? If it was so close to happening by your thinking? What discussion was happening that you think scum found dangerous enough to want cut off?
PA's thinking is based entirely on the fact that Stubbs self-hammered - based on that she deduces that his buddies were already on the wagon. She doesn't consider that perhaps that's what he wants us to think. That line of reasoning goes nowhere.In post 907, JacobSavage wrote:@Mod, you replaced MSG, hello
Will hammer Toomai if it gets to the deadline.
I like P_a's thinking
Sure, but why do you think that the type of paranoia MSG had was impossible to fake? How do you think he would interact with you as scum?In post 866, fferyllt wrote:I'm finding that most players (of the handful at MS who have played with me extensively elsewhere) are pretty suspicious of my play style at MS on first encounter. In some cases, even after they have played a game or two with me here, they're still paranoid about my tendencies toward slow-ish starts and dithering.
You're a good lynch because you're highly likely to be scum. A town flip would be informative, but not so informative where it's better than a scum lynch.In post 874, Toomai wrote:I'm not giving up. I'm saying that if the purpose of my lynch is for information, then I'm fine with that and won't bother wasting time defending against it.In post 872, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:give up
Mostly confidence in you/ffery. Her townread on him hasn't wavered for a while so if she's not seeing even glimpses of him being scum, then I believe her for now.In post 875, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:You had him as null when you first came in. What changed that he is a strong scumread now?
He tries to discredit the attack against him by saying that he's being lynched for informational purposes, which I don't like. It's also strange that he wouldn't be interested in explaining the read on me; it's not a defense, it's just an explanation of his read which I feel wouldn't be so difficult to get out of him as town. It seems like he's just resigned as scum and accepting his lynch because it's getting close to inevitable at this point.In post 882, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Nacho, ffery thoughts on Toomai's deathwish?
She's not the basilisk, meaning she can be cleared if we lynch the basilisk somewhere else. Toomai is likely scum even if penguin is scum. Why lynch penguin?In post 915, fferyllt wrote:VOTE PA
Not the only reason, by any means, but I don't like the WIFOM she's dumping onto the Toomai wagon.
Pure lack of practice as scum would make it pretty hard to fake. He reminded me in one of his posts that he's played one scum game. One. His first mafia game ever. He was confused as fuck in that game because he was recruited by the scum team on his first night in the game.In post 919, Nachomamma8 wrote:Sure, but why do you think that the type of paranoia MSG had was impossible to fake? How do you think he would interact with you as scum?=In post 866, fferyllt wrote:I'm finding that most players (of the handful at MS who have played with me extensively elsewhere) are pretty suspicious of my play style at MS on first encounter. In some cases, even after they have played a game or two with me here, they're still paranoid about my tendencies toward slow-ish starts and dithering.
She's not the basilisk, meaning she can be cleared if we lynch the basilisk somewhere else. Toomai is likely scum even if penguin is scum. Why lynch penguin?[/quote]In post 915, fferyllt wrote:VOTE PA
Not the only reason, by any means, but I don't like the WIFOM she's dumping onto the Toomai wagon.
Erm, finding the not-basilisk. Yes, I do.In post 920, fferyllt wrote:I'm a reads-based player. Pretty sure you know that. I want to lynch my strongest scum read. Do you really think finding the basilisk should be our priority today?