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In post 896, penguin_alien wrote:

In post 893, Selkies wrote:

In post 876, penguin_alien wrote:More specifically, Selkies, where was the scum on my wagon? Given that as an unknown I should have been a higher priority for a lynch than the claimed VT Smudger?

Do you really feel like an unknown in this player list?

Unknown role, not unknown as a player. Mafia scum at least would have figured it quite likely that Smudger was actually just a VT; running up and lynching a VT versus at least running up a potential PR is suboptimal.

Ah. makes sense.

This was the penultimate vote count. You went to L-1 IIRC with my vote between this count and smudger's lynch. At the time, I thought the way the smudger wagon came back to life looked possibly scum-driven, and if it weren't for your communicating your masonry before Kaze' flip I'd still be feeling pretty squinty-eyed about you. It kinda reinforces a caveat about town players sometimes winding up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Smudger (L-2) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, penguin_alien, Kazekirimaru, Plum, Garmr
penguin_alien (L-2) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro, Natirasha, Smudger, The Purple Plague, Does Bo Know

Nati jumps out of this list. Maybe nachomara, but nacho had a convincing case to go with his vote. Possibly DDD.

Who do you think are the scum on your wagon?

As you said, seeing as you voted me right after this vote count, my wagon more accurately looked like: penguin_alien (L-1) ~ Debonair Danny DiPietro, Natirasha, Smudger, The Purple Plague, Does Bo Know, Selkies

Smudger = conftown, if DBK is scum of any variety I'll be shocked, and I highly doubt Natirasha is Mafia-scum at least. So PoE says scum on my wagon is in {DDD, TPP, Selkies}

So I gathered. Your Nati doubts are a little confusing, though.

The TPP case on me was that I was town-reading them too easily, I asked a question of Garmr that wasn't viewed as helpful, and they didn't like my reasoning for Smudger-scum for nebulous reasons.

In my experience, scum tend to object to being town-read for unclear reasons more readily than town

, Garmr throwing mud on Smudger without following up with a vote for incredibly sketchy reasons is more clearly scummy now (more on that in another post), although I'll somewhat concede their dislike of my read on Smudger, although given that I was pretty confident scum had daytalk him seeming to take a dive fit with him being scum receiving coaching. What part of the case on me did you like enough to put me at L-1 and never move your vote?

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Who is the bold in reference to? I disagree about scum objecting to townreads more readily.

It was the first two reasons in Nacho's case that resonated more for me.

The main reason I didn't move my vote was because I really, really didn't like the way the Smudger wagon heaved and thrashed in reaction to your wagon running up. It looked like an attempt to save you.

What about Natirasha is making you think scum?

It looked like he's fishing for reactions from the 2nd killer.

VOTE: Selkies

The pa wagon for one was likely all town or only one scum.

Heh. the timing of your vote is awesome.

You agree with me about DDD coming off pretty town?

DDD's in the middle pack. Could swing either way. Inconsequential to my measures at the moment.

I want to figure which two of you, Cabd, Nacho are scum today really.

I'd recommend rethinking your actions, Nacho(OR MARA I CANT FIGURE OUT WHOS WHO).

Actually had a little time to review walked into a club's ISO because of the Smudger vote but other than the vote that's just a town read through and through.

The promised case on Garmr, much-delayed:

He starts out with the gem of:

In post 258, Garmr wrote:Anyone got any questions for to get me into the game.

which is scummy flat out, even if he later tries to pretend it was a reaction test that nailed scum via honing in on players who expressed annoyance with the tactic.

Instead of pushing his strongest scum read after his wall of reads in 375, he backs off, claiming to want to avoid self-hammering scum. Realistically, this shouldn't be a concern; scum self-lynching day one is a huge advantage to the town, even if we're deprived of the hammer vote. DDD-vote is based just on, um, apathy and some anti-social behavior? I don't like the refusal to vote with his strongest case, especially with the continued refusal to back up his theory that Smudger would have self-hammered.

Seeing as he continues avoiding Smudger's wagon until it's at L-1 at the end of the day, even when he has no good excuse for staying off, he was my top scum read on the wagon going into night.

When Day Two started, he danced around WIAC. It didn't go anywhere, especially when he deflected onto dancing around Kaze's town reading him Kaze was a mason, followed by some more waffly votes.

All in all, I'm pretty sure that LLD's start to the Smudger wagon isn't scum and that kayne-scum wouldn't have hammered at that point, and while I doubt the majority of scum were on the wagon post-VT claim and post-another-viable-wagon-emergence, I think it likely did have a sticky scum.

VOTE: Garmr

Care to respond?

Yeh PA your completely wrong you should know my scum game I completely smashed you with it in the past.

Right, you were very helpful to the scum team in Mini 1516, helping them lynch VI Wake for the scum win...that's what you mean, I assume, not the time where you and your scum team killed my hydra N1 of the Narnia game when we were just a wittle VT because we we so vewy scawy?

In post 905, The Purple Plague wrote:

Vote: Natirasha

which one of you threw down the naked vote. not that I mind it at all, but reasons?

In post 909, Garmr wrote:Yeh PA your completely wrong you should know my scum game I completely smashed you with it in the past.

Yeah i agree with Cabd/PA you need rope.

I don't like this at all.

In post 880, The Purple Plague wrote:well, Garmr and nats are more middlish town

and

you, Kanye, and Club make the top (non-confirmed) tier

why aren't you bothering trying to work with me?

Somethings off about you mara. I need to pinpoint it though :\

In post 912, walked into a club wrote:

In post 909, Garmr wrote:Yeh PA your completely wrong you should know my scum game I completely smashed you with it in the past.

Yeah i agree with Cabd/PA you need rope.

I don't like this at all.

i concur with this sentiment

i like nati's 904. although it's pretty absurd premise (depeding on how you arrive at it), it's something I found myself doing in large normal.

Do you want the blunt answer or the discreet answer?

nacho are you here

In post 914, Selkies wrote:

In post 912, walked into a club wrote:

In post 909, Garmr wrote:Yeh PA your completely wrong you should know my scum game I completely smashed you with it in the past.

Yeah i agree with Cabd/PA you need rope.

I don't like this at all.

i concur with this sentiment

I have some pretty strong reservations.

i like nati's 904. although it's pretty absurd premise (depeding on how you arrive at it), it's something I found myself doing in large normal.

NY 165?

Penguin alien no we killed you because you did nothing all game and showed no connections to anyone and was lightly town read. You were the perfect scum kill.

Mm-hm, do talk more about connections when you couldn't even keep the names of your teammates in your head for a full game day.

Actually, scratch that, I think I've seen enough evidence of your complete inability to respond to suspicions against you. Not to mention your disinterest in scum-hunting today, your day-long flail, and your willingness to take the bait in attempting to derail any actual discussion of your scumminess. I'm only sorry that we let Kaze talk the rest of us back from our scum read on you overnight.

garmio can you explain to me how beating penguinalien in a previous game means that penguin aliens scum read on you in this particular game is wrong and why it is a suitable defense?

It's not she just rubbed me the wrong way kayne.

I also don't get why her vote on me is valid even when I read it I don't see those as scummy actions.

In post 921, Garmr wrote:It's not she just rubbed me the wrong way kayne.

For scum-reading you? Welcome to Mafia, hon.

why bring it up then? what purpose does it serve?