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- Luke (Tales of The Abyss, Adult, Male), Town Replica (Miller), + Neighborizer
D1: Neighborize Tales of the Abyss (CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, Nachomamma8, Yggdra Union)
D2: Neighborize Tales of Xilia (Titan, Penguin Alien)
D3: Neighborize Tales of Rebirth (Stalin)
D4: Neighborize Tales of Vesperia (Magenta, PeregrineV)
D5: Haven't taken an action yet

- Calcedny Arcome (Tales of Hearts), Town Lawful Commander - Modified Cop (Submits three names, mafia team selects one to get either replica or not replica on, becomes VT after there are nine or fewer players left in the game). On any one night he can enhance his normal ability. He has an airship called Lianheit and on any one night he can also keep his target in jail overnight in his ship.
N1: Targeted {Peregrine, Orcinus, and Nacho} no result. (Nacho must have commuted)
N2: Targeted {Peregrine, Orcinus, and Stalin} - Stalin, Not a Replica
N3: Targeted {Stalin, Magenta, and RG} - "Action Failed" (Also used the jail ability which he knows was used on Stalin)
N4: Targeted {Peregrine, JSU, and RG} - PV, Not a Replica

- Van Grants (Tales of the Abyss), Instructor Master (Even Night Tracker). Their ability will fail against replicas.
N2: AP visited Stalin
N4: No result on Penguin

- Milla Maxwell, (Tales of Xilia), Town Determined Warrior (Anti-roleblocker). Had to decide before the game started who she was going to attach herself to and can't change it unless the person chosen first dies.
N0: Chose Nacho
N4: Chose ?????

- ????? (Tales of Rebirth, Child), Amnesiac Follower - Follows a player and sends results to another player. Checked with Cabd about whether role has target restrictions that weren't made explicit. And the answer is no, that he would make that sort of restriction known to the player in their role PM.
N1: Followed AP and sends result to CF (CF got a message saying that AP did nothing)
N2: Followed katsuki and sent the results to orcinus. Got back a message from the mod that role explicitly failed on night 2.
N3: Followed DV and sent the results to JSU, but got no report
N4: Followed CF and sent the results where???? No Result/Action Failed

- Ragou, (Tales of Vesperia), Town D1 Self-Governor + Pedophilic roleblock/stop.
N1: AngryPidgeon
N2: ?????
N3: ?????
N4: "Who I targeted last night should be pretty fucking obvious at this point and with the revelation of this role, I don't know how you think RG is lying, or why he would be doing so if he was scum."







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N2: Katsuki's action failed (if AP is town)
N2: Beli's action failed

N3: AngryPidgeon's action failed
N3: Beli sending a report to JSU wasn't received (although not told if their action failed? I think?)

N4: Beli's action failed
N4: JSU got no result on Penguin

As far as accounting for the failed actions go:
1) We know that Nacho probably roleblocked someone N2.
2) Mafia might have multiple roleblockers.

Gonna fill this up when I find the rest.

Actually, Beli was jailed N3 so that's accounted for.

Desp and I also have a villain character. Alignments were determined before character selection

In post 895, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 3541, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 3537, Kagura wrote:AP: Your (Actual, no BS) investigate target in your next post with the result you got.

You and I was explicitly told that my role failed.

I don't get this though. What was he told? If his role failed, how would he know that he had targeted Kagura?

Probably told, "You targeted Kagura and it failed?"

The game DOES make more sense with AP as town. There seem to multiple fucking scumbags among Magenta, Penguin, Fox, and RG. I'd be more inclined to think three of them are scum and one town than two town, two scum because I legitimately can't call any two of them town with any degree of certainty.

That and my role mentions multiple cops. Unless FoxHound or RG claim a third cop, AP and you seem to be it.

I don't care so much if a scum GF wins the game.

AP is probably diagnosed as clinically insane. That will fit with him being town here.

Mastin may be wrong. It is possible.

- Tenebrae (Tales of Symphonia, Beast), a flavor cop. Gets the rolename of a player.
N1: Yggdra Union- evolving fonic JOAT
N2: RG- Artist (no, I have no idea what that is, that's why we're shitty)
N3: CF, we were blocked
N4: PV, guess what? Yeah. Our ability did succeed though since someone asked.


8 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies + notscience)

9 Penguin_alien

Fox Hound can't be roleblocked by children,

Name of character: Luke
Role Claim: Town Replica (Miller) + Neighborizer
Age: Adult
Gender: Male
Game: Tales of the Abyss
D1: Neighborize Tales of the Abyss (CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, Nachomamma8, Yggdra Union)
D2: Neighborize Tales of Xilia (Titan, Penguin Alien)
D3: Neighborize Tales of Rebirth (Stalin)
D4: Neighborize Tales of Vesperia (Magenta, PeregrineV)
D5: Haven't taken an action yet


Name of character: Calcedny Arcome
Role Claim: Town Lawful Commander - Modified Cop (Submits three names, mafia team selects one to get either replica or not replica on, becomes VT after there are nine or fewer players left in the game). On any one night he can enhance his normal ability. He has an airship called Lianheit and on any one night he can also keep his target in jail overnight in his ship.
Age: ?????
Gender: Male
Game: Tales of Hearts
N1: Targeted {Peregrine, Orcinus, and Nacho} no result. (Nacho must have commuted)
N2: Targeted {Peregrine, Orcinus, and Stalin} - Stalin, Not a Replica
N3: Targeted {Stalin, Magenta, and RG} - "Action Failed" (Also used the jail ability which he knows was used on Stalin)
N4: Targeted {Peregrine, JSU, and RG} - PV, Not a Replica


Name of character: Van Grants
Role Claim: Instructor Master (Even Night Tracker). Their ability will fail against replicas.
Age: Adult
Gender: Male
Game: Tales of the Abyss
N2: AP visited Stalin
N4: No result on Penguin


Name of character: Milla Maxwell
Role Claim: Town Determined Warrior (Anti-roleblocker). Had to decide before the game started who she was going to attach herself to and can't change it unless the person chosen first dies.
Age: ?????
Gender: Female
Game: Tales of Xilia
N0: Chose Nacho
N4: Chose ?????


Name of character: ?????
Role Claim: Amnesiac Follower - Follows a player and sends results to another player. Checked with Cabd about whether role has target restrictions that weren't made explicit. And the answer is no, that he would make that sort of restriction known to the player in their role PM.
Age: Child
Gender: ?????
Game: Tales of Rebirth
N1: Followed AP and sends result to CF (CF got a message saying that AP did nothing)
N2: Followed katsuki and sent the results to orcinus. Got back a message from the mod that role explicitly failed on night 2
N3: Followed DV and sent the results to JSU, but got no report
N4: Followed CF and sent the results where???? No Result/Action Failed


Name of character: Ragou
Role Claim: Town D1 Self-Governor + Pedophilic roleblock/stop
Age: ?????
Gender: ?????
Game: Tales of Vesperia
N1: AngryPidgeon
N2: ?????
N3: ?????
N4: "Who I targeted last night should be pretty fucking obvious at this point and with the revelation of this role, I don't know how you think RG is lying, or why he would be doing so if he was scum."


Name of character: Tenebrae
Role Claim: Flavor Cop, also **can't be roleblocked by children**
Age: Beast
Gender: Male
Game: Tales of Symphonia
N1: Yggdra Union - Evolving Fonic JOAT (no idea why fonic isn't in their flip)
N2: RG - Artist
N3: CF - (they were blocked)
N4: PV - (Ability did succeed)





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N2: Katsuki's action failed (if AP is town)
N2: Beli's action failed

N3: AngryPidgeon's action failed
N3: Beli sending a report to JSU wasn't received (Accounted for by AP jailing Beli)
N3: FoxHound's investigation on CF was blocked

N4: Beli's action failed
N4: JSU got no result on Penguin

As far as accounting for the failed actions go:
1) We know that Nacho probably roleblocked someone N2.
2) Mafia might have multiple roleblockers.

Gonna fill this up when I find the rest.

Something's not right.

Give me time to think.

About who?

The RG/FoxHound situation.

I'm a bit buzzed and very tired right now, so I can't think it through, but my gut is telling me that this isn't a simple "lol scum got caught out" case.

Who do you think is scum there? What do you think of Brian's reaction to my Magenta case?

Holy crap! What the heck is Brian doing? Should we just lynch the crap out of RG?

The two of us, Fox, Beli, and AP would be sufficient to lynch RG.

The whole thing feels fake. Do you want to switch over?

Do you want to lynch FoxHound then? They could be a scum rolecop and that would basically confirm you and AP as town.

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1 CarbonFiber - Obvtown
2 Titan (Tammy + Ser Arthur Dayne) - Innocent Child
3 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon + Desperado) - Town
4 Belisarius - Town

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5 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies + notscience)
6 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir + DV)
7 AngryPidgeon
8 Penguin_alien

It is three of RG, Fox, AP, and Penguin. I think Penguin is basically confirmed scum for how she acted on the Magenta wagon.

OH! I forgot. AP and Fox aren't scum together so RedGyarados is scum. If Cabd put in two scum cops and one town cop, I don't even know what to say.

So, Penguin, RedGyarados. One of AP/Fox.

The problem though is that both AP and Fox have been acting like scum for the entire game.

Actually, BRO and Desp, here's a FANTASTIC idea. Tomorrow, what we need to do is clear if we are both still alive. We wait for RG to vote Fox and Fox to cross vote and not do anything until then. Once they crossvote. We both vote RG and put him at L-1. That leaves just one person that needs to vote him and RG gets lynched.

I'm gonna wait for the cross vote for confirm before doing anything. I have a lot of thinking to do this night phase because my gut is turbo-warning me that something's off.

Me too. I am actually now thinking that Fox are scum so I dunno. Wait for the cross and see what happens.

BRO/Desp? What are your thoughts looking like? Who do you want to lynch. Give me your final thoughts in case you are nk'd tonight. I think the next day starts tomorrow.

Here are my thoughts right now:

My base assumptions have been townAP based on my ability to read him+the investigate, Beli town by investigate from AP, and you town based on the CC.

If that's the case, then 3/4 of {Titan, penguin, RG, FoxHound} are scum.

Now, let's run with the assumptions being correct for now (we'll get into this in a bit). That leaves two points of interest:

1) Is the RG/Foxhound play scum theatre to get one to coast to endgame?

2) Is Tammy actually scum?

As far as the likelihood of both occurring simultaneously, I don't think it's that high. If Tammy's scum, scum are in a really strong position and don't need the scum theatre; they could let both get lynched, let penguin get lynched, and that's the game. Therefore, I think that only one of these is the case, and we need to figure out which because the magenta lynch was our margin of error.

This means that penguin is guaranteed scum (and should be the next LyLo lynch if we get a scum flip on FoxHound or RG tomorrow). That gives me/AP more nights to work if we don't get NK'd (seeming unlikely at this point. I think those are the next two shots).

HOWEVER, we have the issue of "have the assumptions I've been making all game actually been wrong." I'm starting to have doubts on Beli; I didn't like the hammer, and I should have unvoted to prevent it from happening. He could very well be a godfather. There's also the fact that AP could be a godfather, and that can't be completely off the table. Still, I feel better about AP than Beli (not sure about Desp on that one)

The assumption on you is one that I don't think is worth doubting, given the CC to RBD's claim requiring a scum-you to have known that town didn't have a miller, which would require a miller fakeclaim for scum to use at the start of the game (which, if that's what's actually going on, is something I'm going to talk to Cabd about, because giving scum a free gambit of that strength is terrible game design, and I know he's into wonky shit, but he shouldn't be doing stuff that's just bad).

Okay, Beli is dead so that solves one of our problems.