White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Psyche]

I guess I have to replace out.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 2.10

Cogito Ergo Sum (4) - Ankamius, ika, Antihero, BlueBloodedToffee
Ankamius (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
ika (1) - theelkspeaks
Psyche (1) - Zachrulez
Regfan (1) - Cheery Dog

Not Voting (3) - Psyche, Tammy, Regfan

With 11 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Saturday, April 25, 2015, at 4:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-04-25 16:30:00).

Moderator Comments

Tammy is V/LA until April 20.

[Zachrulez]

I really wish that Sotty was following this game. Not having her perspective sucks.

[Antihero]

Mine?

[Antihero]

You know that my meta preference to play town trumps anything you think you have on him right?

unless you're claiming tokens, this means jack shit

If you want full context, he's been giving me bits and pieces. He hasn't really been actively following along with this game.

If he'd said anything about you while I was scumreading you. I probably would have ignored it anyway. The progression of my read on you is all me.

...

alright, how did the CES consult go?

[Zachrulez]

I don't even need to claim tokens. I'm just going to outright say I'd have swapped out of a scum role by now.

[Zachrulez]

Well Marquis says he's going to read tonight. Jason kinda of ignored it, and I'll have to wait to see if Sotty even has time to look at my game tonight.

[ika]

HI MAQUIS!

[Zachrulez]

Jason mentioned CES pushing for an Ank lynch in 746 without a vote followed by an actual vote in 751. (If memory serves me that came after my post.)

He feels it was testing the waters a bit.

I'm eh on that but I'm just being open about my team's thoughts here.

[Zachrulez]

Jason mentioned CES pushing for an Ank lynch in 746 without a vote followed by an actual vote in 751. (If memory serves me that came after my post.)

After my post where I voted for Ank that is.

[Ankamius]

I don't even need to claim tokens. I'm just going to outright say I'd have swapped out of a scum role by now.

I can say exactly the same thing (and it's provable). Would you say that's a strong argument for me being town?

[Ankamius]

Antihero what's your read on Tammy?

[Zachrulez]

I don't even need to claim tokens. I'm just going to outright say I'd have swapped out of a scum role by now.

I can say exactly the same thing (and it's provable). Would you say that's a strong argument for me being town?

Should have said something sooner then.

As it is, if CES is lynched and flips scum, that's really going to change a lot of my assumptions about this game.

I actually unvoted you because my vote feels dirty next to CES' in light of observations presented recently.

[Zachrulez]

Felt dirty rather

[Zachrulez]

Ank, do you have playing experience with CES?

If so can you make any statement toward how accurately you would think CES town would be able to read you?

[Tammy]

Antihero what's your read on Tammy?

What's your read on me?

[Ankamius]

Ank, do you have playing experience with CES?

If so can you make any statement toward how accurately you would think CES town would be able to read you?

I know of two games we both played one. One was a large normal you modded a few years back, although CES replaced in far after I died. The second one was a mini sometime later where he was lynched D1 as town. I was scum that game. I don't remember him paying any particular attention to me that game, either.

So no, I wouldn't expect him to have any idea of how I play.

Antihero what's your read on Tammy?

What's your read on me?

Strong town.

[ika]

hi ank, how are you?

[Ankamius]

potato

how are you

[ika]

potato

how are you

meh been better. whats your read on zach and why?

[Equinox]

theelkspeaks has been prodded.

[Regfan]

My teams not as convinced like I am that CD's recent posts read town but I think I'm happier going here for now:

Vote: Psyche

The constant postponing of content and excuses while popping in whenever his name's mentioned reads as a fairly big scum-tell. Also remember Empire telling me his scum-meta was to lurk hardcore which he's doing here. Still not sold on CES being scum but admit that I don't like him saying he found Aero scummier before Ank in Post 839 given his response to me in Post 217 about Aero while stating a scum read on Ank in Post 145.

"mirroring my thoughts" is an unreliable towntell and depends on your reads being accurate and it's trap you seem to have fallen in.

one that you should've snapped out of as soon as aero flipped town.

I don't agree at all, mirroring my thoughts and reads isn't easy for scum to fabricate at all and doesn't entirely depend on my reads accuracy ie. If I'm reading a townies actions of doing X/Y/Z as scummy or townie and someone else has either mentioned the same thing previously it's a fairly strong town-tell. If it were merely a case of 'agreeing' with my read after I'd already stated it you'd have a point but I don't think that's entirely the case although I agree that his progression of the Aero read isn't anywhere near as good as I thought it was.

But this has pretty much always been your play style though. I always think of you as the come in at weird times with catch up thoughts and posing questions but not in real time interacting with people. Why do you think you'd be less obvtown due to it (and didn't you think you were?)

When I played in the past I had several days off during the week, was able to post late late at night when people in the US were just getting up or middle of the day my time when people in the US were still awake, can't really do that anymore. And I think I'm at my most town when I feel a real emotional interaction or connection to the game which is brought up by pushing/questioning people in real time and when I get frustrated or really convinced of a read I think that's something that I don't replicate in my scum play at all and I don't think I've gotten to that level of emotional connection other than slightly with the Aero push, still thought I'd make more sense being shot over Llama though given several people were FoS'ing him yesterday for god knows what reasons. It feels weird for me to admit but I'm feeling slightly lost in this game at the moment and it's not even due to a lack of town reads (I've got several reads I'd bank on being town) but moreso due to a lack of scum reads I'm confident in and feel like I'm second guessing myself too much (Mina joked around saying I'm becoming her and I'm worried that I am), I'd really appreciate your help to break me out of this feeling and I know you hate it but a reads list would be nice.

What do you make of CD's recent stuff, my team aren't reading Post 842 and Post 847 as town as I am, Zar thinks his "BoP" argument doesn't make an ounce of sense with his admission of not knowing my play or meta at all and him fabricating reasoning to push on me, I don't think I agree with him; I don't see scum!CD thinking he'd be able to get away with that reasoning at all and would know I'm not getting ML'ed here but Zar thinks scum always "push against the grain" to seem town so he's not reading it as a town-tell at all. I've probably phrased this all terribly but really overall do you see what I am there?

If you end up flipping scum in this game, I fucking promise you I will push for your lynch every single game we play.

I felt the opposite about this post as Tammy did, I flat out do not understand this stance; wouldn't you be more pissed of with me and others for misreading and convincing you to look elsewhere if Ikas scum and more upset with Ika if his play here (ie. Being useless / arguing semantics) if he's town?

[Psyche]

my scum meta is in fact to kick ass and take names

[Cheery Dog]

wait a second, you're on marquis' team and he hasn't said a word about this game yet.

you grab his ear and give it a twist.

marquis is keeping up w/ the game....????????????

...

red flags are starting to go up

Are you expecting him to have done stuff or not, these posts in a row have a ounce of contradiction.

I think I've worked out they don't know, but posting anyway because they looked like they might have earlier.

[Cheery Dog]

my scum meta is in fact to kick ass and take names

So, that's kicing your own arse and then taking your name?