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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 3:49 am

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Dead Rikimaru wrote:
The Fonz wrote:He gives a blanket defence of everything Lulu did prior to that as 'just newbie behaviour.' I LOATHE the newbie card.
And I LOATHE having to explain the behavior of another person.
Specially a NEWBIE.
And specially a TOWNIE. :P
That's fine, but we have every right to take Lulu's behaviour into account when deciding whether or not your role, as a whole, is scummy. It would be wrong to give you a blank slate.

Also, gorck just hammered you.
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 5:30 am

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The Fonz wrote:That's fine, but we have every right to take Lulu's behaviour into account when deciding whether or not your role, as a whole, is scummy. It would be wrong to give you a blank slate.
Now you are the one using strawman. :P
I didn't ask for a blank state, I just said it's stupid to ask me to explain something that you know I can't because I would have to be in her mind to do so.

I'm not against you suspecting Lulu and voting me bacause of her behavior. I'm against you expecting me to EXPLAIN her behavior to convince you not vote me. There was nothing I could say that would convince you not to (unless I claimed power role, but that's not explanation). There was no argument that would not sound like a guess because all I can do to answer is guess.

I have no problem in being lynched because I know all protown players know as much as I do, and I myself was wrong on skitzer's case. But deciding to simply ignore my questions over Nocmen and Glork is just plain stupid. Townies should find scum through discussion, and avoiding discussing an important question is handing the game to scum.

Good luck , town.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2008 9:57 pm

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Riki- when did I ask you to explain Lulu's actions?
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 12:23 am

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The Fonz wrote:Riki- when did I ask you to explain Lulu's actions?
You didn't, but when I answered those who did you said:
He gives a blanket defence of everything Lulu did prior to that as 'just newbie behaviour.' I LOATHE the newbie card.
So don't pretend it had no influence.

BTW my previous post was not a direct message to Fonz, I was talking to the town as a whole. Just the first line was Fonz-only. :P
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue May 06, 2008 11:18 am

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4 votes needed to lynch

4 Dead Rikimaru (roffman, Glork, The Fonz, gorckat)
1 Nocmen (farside22)
Not voting: Nocmen, Dead Rikimaru

"No, STOP! I can help the town! I swear! I had all these small dreams of being a vigilante who killed the scum or a cop who could hunt them out! If only I knew how, I could! I would!"

But he can't. He's dead, never to achieve his potential.


Dead Rikimaru, "Dreamer" Townie, Lynched Day 4


It is now Night 4.
Deadline for night choices is Saturday, May 10 at 11:59 PM EST.
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill with rope and a slim majority."

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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 1:47 pm

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Day breaks, and everybody is uneasy. They gather at their usual spot, wondering if there would be another murder, or if the night would be uneventful, as the previous. However, the Fonz's absence quickly puts an end to any hope they might have had.

Nocmen, Glork, gorckat, farside22, and roffman, the only remaining citizens left, check his house and find exactly what they expected. Like the Sage and the Catcher Mason of previous, The Fonz is dead-- strangled in his sleep. His room was laden with bags of chips, cakes, and other comfort foods. All the mirrors in his house are broken, but are not evidence of a struggle. No, they seem to have been broken by Fonz himself ages ago. There was a diary nearby, chronicling how much he hated himself. The last entry was recent, though not dated. It said, "I feel better after last night" and nothing more.

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The five remaining townspeople returned to their places and prepared themselves for another Day. roffman was making weird noises, as if holding in sobs. Did The Fonz mean that much to him? Suddenly...

"I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE!!" Roffman had lost it. The others stared at him and tried to show him sympathy, but he was hysterical. His screaming continued, "Rishi, why Rishi? You never did anything to anyone. You were always solemn and quiet, and now you're gone... IT ISNT FAIR!!!!" The harsh truth that he would never see Rishi again must have only now gotten to him.

"GLORK! THIS IS YOUR FAULT!" he yelled, pointing at Glork, who began to deny any involvement.

"You're just upset now, come on. It'll be okay...." he began, but Roffman would not be reasoned with. What came next came as a surprise to everyone, as roffman reached into his pocket and pullet out a gun. "It's your fault I'll never see my love again!" he accused with tears in his eyes as he aimed at Glork's chest. And before anybody could move, Glork had been shot through the heart.

"I.... I'm sorry..." roffman began, "...but I just can't live in a world without him anymore. I've got one bullet left, and with it I will see him again..." he knelt down and put the barrel in his mouth. He pulled the trigger.

The town stood there, shocked and unable to make sense of the situation. It wasn't much of a town anymore. There was just three left. They cleaned and buried the three dead and investigated Roffman and Glork's houses. Nobody is surprised by what they find in Roffman's house. There are several pictures of him and Rishi enjoying cruises, vacations, and good times.

Roffman,
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Enraged mason
Homicidal Mason, killed himself Dawn of Day 5


Glork's house held a bigger surprise. Inside there were pictures of Rishi too, as well as opie and The Fonz, although the pictures were not as cheerful. It would seem that after strangling each of his victims, he would take a picture and post it on his wall. You find ropes for binding and a flashlight for late-night venturing, but no evidence linking him to the last scum.

Glork, Strangler Scum, killed by Roffman Dawn of Day 5


It is now Day 5. With 3 alive, it will take 2 votes to lynch.
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 3:34 pm

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Well. It's me, gorckat, and farside.

With glork faking it...what would you say about my incident?

I'm going to look deeply into both of you tomorrow.
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 1:24 am

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Huh. That's the first time you've directly acknowledged something happened.

I'm a Brainy Inventor. I've been crumbing it all along with my statements of 'putting things together'. I had 4 machines- a name went into each machine. The only one that may have worked was the Night 3 target of DR- it may have been a protection, but I figured a RB was just as likely (hindsight tells me a protection). I was never given confirmation one way or the other that they worked or not.

Obviously, I'll be re-reading today,
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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 4:06 am

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I need to read through myself.
@Nocmen. I think the problem was that one day 2 you seemed coherate and then went to gibberish. Obviously Glork was faking since he came up scum. I'm trying to figure out why Gorckat kept changing his mind yesterday. Now a claim with nothing to back it up. Eh.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 4:25 am

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Just read my role, so I gotta re-read with new knowledge and
make something of it
. I'd read up on offering my services, but I always like to
see how the pieces fit
once I know something before contributing concretely.
I haven't
put any other new ideas together
- skitzer hasn't said anything that I recall worth pulling votes off of him, and he's been the leader at 3 for awhile, now.
Has anyone else put together a theory
for why Nocmen is acting this way that makes it more likely he's town than scum?
I admit I've been a little clumsy, but
every amazing creation is preceded by false starts and rough drafts
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These were the posts I recalled trying to drop an Inventor crumb- I tried not to overdo it, but wanted them to be obvious at this point.

How 'bout some claims from you two?[/quote]
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 7:36 am

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gorckat...what were all of the names you chose?
What name went into each of them?

I don't get what you are saying about what happened Day 2. I woke up, and my head was hurting a bit, and a few people had died since Day 1.

Now time for a very thourough readthrough, one of the first since I actually replaced in.
I will admit that I haven't put as much time as I could have into this game, but here I am with 35 minutes and nothing else to do in Stat class.

Note to self: gorckat is Gemelli's replacement. Holy and Glork are scum.

Gemelli jumps on an attack on DS, saying he is overeager. It did sound a bit eager, but he did the same thing that DS did. But it was still random stage, so it's hard to tell. But at the random stage, going and putting a third vote on someone when it takes 7 to lynch isn't really that much. I've seen random wagons go to Ly-2/Ly-1 before people realized it. Gemelli also said he is going to keep his vote on DS because he is forced to have a vote on people. This realization that it is not voteworthy is pretty good, but it doesn't make sense with someone who had some destructive action happening such as DS.
+1 scum Gemelli

Farside notices that the wagon isn't really a real wagon and is mostly random. I agree with this.

Gemelli's questioning of pete d trying to see his opinions on people is slightly uneasy, especially because he was saying "Well, do you possibly see thedragonprincess and DS scummy?". Somewhat weird that both are town, but this could just be coicidence. I could take any 2 people and have a 10/11 chance of having them both as town.

Farside questions skitzer for voting DS when he plays the same as other games. A few posts later, he goes and votes towards roffman, which the only other person voting at that time is Holy, who is scum now too. His comment about "people trying to talk to scum are scum" seems like a way to attack, and trying to warn anyone else from doing the same as well.
+1 scum farside

Farside explains a very good defense regarding the wagon on DS and how it just looks a bit awkward. This is good reasoning, and I give him credit for that.
-1 Scum farside

To be honest, DS sounded like a great Day 1 lynch for the scum. It would end the day quicker, hopefully allowing the rest of the town to not gain information on who the scum might be, and would give them good reasons later on for why they wagoned and lynched me.

Gorckat replaces Gemelli at this point. One of his first things is to jump on and attack roffman, where then I am not sure if he actually had read the game before then.
+1 scum gorckat

Gorckat then votes skitzer, who I don't really see as scummy, but more towards actually trying to go and hunt down scum.

Note again on the DS thing...farside is saying that the scum don't need to jump on the wagon, which I see again as him trying to tell a partner not to get on the wagon. Then again, this is when the DS wagon has already passed and sort of died down.
Then again, skitzer starting with post 130 or so starts acting very weird and I actually can see these suspicions then.

Class is over now, I'm going to save this in a text document and start on page 8 later.
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:08 am

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Nocmen here are some quotes this is what you said at the start of day 2
Gorckat is somewhat confusing. Lulubelle's hammer is WIFOM.
I think it was flavored in the start from the way that it was a punishment for nightmares or something. Obviously it hasn't happened today.
Then day 2 a few RL day's later you state this:
Actually, I was decently audible during the actually first day...and I didnt realize we were back in day so soon until now.
I forgot what was going on. Please explain?
It like you went from lucid to forget in on the same day with no reason. Still need to read. Hopefully will have my own analysis tomorrow the lastest
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:10 am

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The lack of claims inclines me to believe one of you is scum and the other is hiding something.
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 9:04 am

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Oh yea...I was going to claim as well. I have no problem claiming. I am townie. A calm one at that.
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 11:22 am

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Nothing exciting here. Mine says I'm a lounger townie. Basically take it easy, but don't get comfortable. Look for scum.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 4:31 pm

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Mod wrote:The Fonz, the
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Comfortable townie, strangled Night 4
That makes farside's claim awful sketchy- it's very similar.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 4:46 pm

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I noticed that as well...but that last post, are you trying to lead me on? A lot of your posts have been explaining things like "I see that..." and so on. And this one just seems so much different it's suspicious. Like Going "you should vote him because this is eerily similiar".

Also...as I asked before, can you please tell me all of the names that were put into the machines, and why you think DR was Protected/Roleblocked Night 3?
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 11:39 pm

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Sorry- I didn't understand your question the way it was worded- I actually thought it was a bit of more insanity or something.

Night 1- Box A: farside22
Night 2- Box B: pete d
Night 3- Box D: DR
Night 4- Box C: Nocmen

Nights one and two I was working with the idea of targeting people whom I had the most unclear read on. Night 3 I was hoping for a kill, since I expected we'd be trying to lynch DR during the day.

When there was no kill Night 3, I thought maybe I'd protected DR, which is part of the reason I was hesitant to go against him. But without confirmation, I didn't want to speak up- it could be a roleblock (even with skitzer in the game) or possibly some kind of bus/jailkeeper (where he was protected
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blocked). It also made some sense that scum might have opted to No-Kill to steer a lynch out of those left. I ended up going with my gut that had me target him in the first place.

Last night, I was uncertain what to do with box C- I could double up on farside or Fonz (pete) and see if two uses made something happen, target Glork or Nocmen whom I still couldn't decide if either was faking it.

I chose Nocmen, as stated.

And I'd rather nobody vote yet. I'm still uncertain about the two of you and would like to hear more from both of you, which is why I'm pushing farside on her claim.

More details from each of you would be cool, as well- what are your names?
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:11 am

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Why would you want to know my name?
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Sun May 11, 2008 2:32 am

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To evaluate your claims.
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Sun May 11, 2008 12:20 pm

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Oh role name? I thought you meant real name.

I'm The Calm. The "The" is part of it.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Sun May 11, 2008 1:34 pm

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K. Waiting on Farside to straighten out her name.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Mon May 12, 2008 8:01 am

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My name is lounger townie.
I don't have a the or anything. It was ordinary.
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Mon May 12, 2008 2:18 pm

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Nocmen- if your fog has lifted, can you review Day 2 for me and tell me what you think of it?
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed May 14, 2008 1:27 am

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I'm still unsure what is meant by this fog...Day 2 I woke up like any other day. And three people had died overnight, opie skitzer and Rishi. Soem people said it was Day 3 right then, which confused me quite a bit, but over time I sort of accepted that it was Day 3 even though no Day 2 happened.

When I woke up, regardless of what Day it was, I was asked constantly abotu talking normally and/or incoherently. I'm not sure what this was about, I'm pretty sure I was fine talking. Sure my grammar may suck at times, spelling too, but I can talk still. You were one of the people most trying to talk about me being fully here or lucid or something. The only thing I can understand that may have happened is I began to sleepwalk or something overnight between Days 1 and 3 and everyone else was concerned. After that, there was a lot of talking and then Angelmouse was lynched. That was Day 2, some may call it Day 3.
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