Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Nauci: Let me elaborate on the bit about Vig shooting BP thing.

Let's say you arte a Vig and I'm a BP Mafioso. You shoot me and I don't die. You come into the day and out yourself to claim the guilty. What do I do? I simply claim RB who blocked you. It either passes or I get CC'd and would have outed 2 PRs already. Not too bad if you ask me.

[Mathdino]

Super confused about a lot of the grand statements Math has made. Why would town!tw mean scum!UD?

And just to humor me here, what's

the worst

that can happen for town if TW is allowed to live the night and fake another result?

eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Going through the playerlist, we can rule a bunch of players out for original goon if the worst is town, as it implies scum took a bunch of mods including a rolecop.

- I would never pick a rolecop, I am the rolecop
- JJD doesn't pick a rolecop + another mod, he wants claimspace so he can fake us out with a PR
- Wisdom and Maria don't pick 2 mods followed by shooting the innocent child, they're too strategically experienced
- Espeonage doesn't shoot the innocent child, he basically called me an idiot last time *I* shot the innocent child

That leaves {brass, Nauci, UglyDuck}.

You're town. brass is town because his meta precludes bussing like that (go ahead and factcheck me there).

Therefore town!TW means the original goon MUST be UglyDuck, and Ugly/Beef picked a bad combo to start off with.

Re: Letting TW live: I mean the worst that could happen is we mislynch and mis-shoot and go into MyLo tomorrow with a possible dead vig.
Plus, it gives scum-TW time to strategise in the scum PT assuming they didn't pick daytalk.
I prefer killing scum at the first possible opportunity, not the second or third. Like you said, his result is basically useless. We KNOW who the goon is if it's not him.

[Mathdino]

@Nauci: Let me elaborate on the bit about Vig shooting BP thing.

Let's say you arte a Vig and I'm a BP Mafioso. You shoot me and I don't die. You come into the day and out yourself to claim the guilty. What do I do? I simply claim RB who blocked you. It either passes or I get CC'd and would have outed 2 PRs already. Not too bad if you ask me.

my dude you seem to have forgotten there was a fucking N1 scumvig

scum can't afford plays like that

[Mathdino]

also if anyone claims roleblocker that just so fucking happened to roleblock the vig i'm lynching them on the spot

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Therefore town!TW means the original goon MUST be UglyDuck, and Ugly/Beef picked a bad combo to start off with.

I very much agree here, but I'd also add a scum flip from TW still leaves UD as a suspect as traitor along with Maria

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

LOL

I'm sure that would prompt a vig counter claim.

Via bullet. At night.

Again, if I was BP I'd do it. Vig will have to either out the next day or I can fake a guilty on someone else and get them mislynched before I go down. You're using an all-town perspective approaching this, and I'm using what scum!me would do if cornered.

[Mathdino]

you're bad at playing BP

there have been many cases of vigs just suspecting that the claimer is BP and counterclaiming during the day anyway

then trying to shoot their partner that night

[Nauci]

@Nauci: Let me elaborate on the bit about Vig shooting BP thing.

Let's say you arte a Vig and I'm a BP Mafioso. You shoot me and I don't die. You come into the day and out yourself to claim the guilty. What do I do? I simply claim RB who blocked you. It either passes or I get CC'd and would have outed 2 PRs already. Not too bad if you ask me.

I can't dignify this with a response other than giggling tbh

[Nauci]

If you were scum bp you'd claim big

And when vig fails to murder you that night

And you show up alive, a claimed vig, the next day, not shot by scum, we'd all believe your vig claim and let you live happily ever after

K

[Mathdino]

JJD believes he is better at playing scum than he is

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Oh, Shut up. All of you. I'm right. You're wrong. That's it.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

P.S. Be sure to listen to the song if you're not already familiar with it.

[Nauci]

I don't understand why UD claimed

[Mathdino]

and i don't understand why espeonage claimed
or why JJD keeps actively claiming not vig
or why TW had me and JJD as his top suspects for mafia goon

but such is life in 2018 MS

what's on your to-do list nauci

[the worst]

Re: Letting TW live: I mean

the worst

that could happen is we mislynch and mis-shoot and go into MyLo tomorrow with a possible dead vig.

eeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Nauci]

The amount of sway Math has over this game makes me nervous so I'm doing some rereading to see what the most bad scenario could be if Math turns out to be scum

Pending that, I'm generally okay with a TW lynch because i absolutely cannot fathom why JJD would be a good GC candidate for N1

[Mathdino]

i only have sway because i'm obvtown when i'm town

i'm also obvtown as scum when no one else in the game seems to give 2 shits (see jester nightless and micro 769) but that is thankfully not the case

TW is scumclaiming in every post because
1. i already called out his scum strategy
2. he's actively trying to avoid spewing more information like he did with brassherald

town-him gets pissed off and fights the lynch harder
or votes the person mechanically required to be scum from his POV

[the worst]

You've played with town me once and I said you were scum for scumreading me

[the worst]

My lynch just feels mechanically inevitable so I'm like....what do I even

[Mathdino]

yeah and then you started actually trying to solve the game once you were proven wrong

[the worst]

> sheep math to victory
Prove it wrong and I'll help

[Nauci]

bleeding profusely brb

[the worst]

bleeding profusely brb

STOP

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

Out for a bit, seeya later

pedit ok fine

this is your current vote

i've told you who confscum is from your POV lol

i'm not even really sure why i'm helping you

pet theory is that TW knows we think he's partners with duck and is trying to frame duck as his partner by not voting the counterwagon

[the worst]

Whats the counterwagon? I'm down with a good cw