Open 741: Red Flag [Endgame]

[RadiantCowbells]

if you're really confident i'm willing to vote with you

[Nibbui]

Why are you voting Obvious Town?

-r

if you can agree with me that volxen is town, then hey you're free.

like, this sounds like a bit of lazy reasoning as well.

If BlackJack retracts the vote on Volxen, you don't think that the slot is the lynch today/scum anymore?

Also, I just checked some games from Volxen and he hasn't been that towny compared to his meta here, it feels like you changed to a somewhat confident town read on the slot just because we're coming to a consensus that Volxen is town. :

[Nibbui]

if you're really confident i'm willing to vote with you

I mean, you don't need to

only

take my confidence for it at all.

Skim a bit the games I linked. It's like day and night how solvey he seems.

If I'm wrong here is because Ceejay has been 120% disengaged here and idk what he would expect me to do if not hard scum read him.

[RadiantCowbells]

gamma might actually be the missing link scum

[Keyser Söze]

I think RC is likely right about BlackJacks. I've never played with Ruru, and my only experience with Orfhz is in another ongoing game, and yet both of them are convinced I'm scum because I don't have tons of posts in this game already. They even have referenced some of my previous town games, without even taking into account things such as that I do sometimes have gaps in my posts as both alignments, or that I often do better after day 1 when I have more information to work with via flips.

I don't feel like BlackJacks wants to sort my alignment, but rather it feels like both heads of the hydra just want to push a mislynch through.

Hi Volxen talk with me

I feel that BJ is hard pushing you without reconsidering it that much, yes. That point I can somewhat agree.

However the post they linked here from your town game sounded very differently than your posts here.

You didn't see engaged in sorting anyone alignment aside from posting things everyone had already said and approved, nor do you right now seem to focus on anything but avoiding your lynch or saying that BJ is scum.

Do you really think it's weird to scum read you here? I don't think it would be that hard for you to actually sound townier if you had some motivation.

What I'm saying is that the conclusion "Volxen hasn't made tons of posts = Volxen is scum" is overly simplistic, and I have a hard time believing that is coming from a townie who really wants to solve the game. For instance, you are at least trying to engage with me, whereas BlackJacks has multiple posts calling for my lynch.

Either he is scum, or he has some misguided preconceived notion of what town!Volxen looks like and thinks I'm scum because I'm not living up to that expectation. Considering he has never played with town!me in any of my completed town games, him posting as if he is some sort of expert on my town meta is fairly suspect.

I feel this is Volxen’s best post so far:
- does feel like they’ve taken a step back in their head and rationalized scum-BJ vs town-BJ
- I do empathise with Volxen’s ‘push my misslynch through’ mentality
- looking at different player’s approach on their slot (instead of being stuck in OMGUS against the one slot - it’s easier for scum to just stay tunnelled until their attacker backs down).
- under scrutiny by Nib but their reaction looks composed and defiant


This is a different Volxen to WatchersWanted scum-Volxen.

I’m thinking I may need to revise on Volxen...
(Would not lynch him today though)

[Nibbui]

To be honest, on second thought, I'm not that confident on Ceejay.

It's not for any reason in particular, idk, It's just that the more I think about a scum-read, the less I have confidence on it.

"What if there's a special reason for it? Or I'm reading something wrong?"

Meh I'm no good in mafia. I can compromise somewhere else if no one is getting behind Ceejay.

[RadiantCowbells]

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}

besides blackjacks who I want to spend more time on don't lynch anyone above this line and you'll end up winning

[Nibbui]

why Aster?

is it only because of her posts here or it's some kind of meta read as well?

[RadiantCowbells]

I am willing to say there is -at most- one scum in that pool. there is never two, let alone the three required for this to be game losing.
i can cite my recent performances at generating lynchpools, i think there's almost never even one scum in that pool but i'm willing to concede that there might be and you're still never lynching there.

scum are going to come in after i'm dead and weakly demean my game, make appeals to independent play / some sort of egalitarian individual reads bullshit.
lynch anyone who tries to break down the townbloc

why Aster?

is it only because of her posts here or it's some kind of meta read as well?

this game + comparisons to 701 which i had already closeread before this game started.

i can make a case there if absolutely necessary but i'd prefer not to

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi anonygo talk to me about read pls

[Gamma Emerald]

...fuck.

[Gamma Emerald]

notably i cannot read ceejay and my townread there is somewhat lazy

as it stands my reads are

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}
{ceejay, gamma, clemency, anonygo}
-null line- {firebringer}
then with {keyser, springtrap} as actual scumreads

I kinda felt like you’d have more scumreads?

[RadiantCowbells]

in what sense

[Gamma Emerald]

You talk about how you’d be wrong on one, makes me think you have an idea of 3-4 scum but don’t think they all work together as a team or something.

[AnonymousGhost]

Hi anonygo talk to me about read pls

i just woke up/am still dead tired

aster's my scum read. 393 pinged me as fluff, 3 null reads, and a potentially scummy read on Gamma & 751 pinged me as throwing a weak FoS link between you and Volxen w/o solving your alignments.

and that's it

[AnonymousGhost]

{RC}
{Pinturicchio, Nibbuls, Aster}
{Blackjacks, Volxen}
{ceejay, gamma, clemency, anonygo}
-null line- {firebringer}
then with {keyser, springtrap} as actual scumreads

talk to me about Pint & Nibbuls.

[AnonymousGhost]

oh yeah

explain springtrap scum read plz

[AnonymousGhost]

also what does 'missing link' scum mean?

[Aster]

I've been pretty busy with real-life stuff the past couple of days, so I'm going to prodge and will post actual content tomorrow.

V/LA until tomorrow?

[ceejayvinoya]

I just tried to read Ceejay game framing Volxen but I couldn't find it? There's one where he asks for a completed town game of Volxen, but that's kinda it?

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77254

It's this one.

[ceejayvinoya]

if you're really confident i'm willing to vote with you

I mean, you don't need to

only

take my confidence for it at all.

Skim a bit the games I linked. It's like day and night how solvey he seems.

If I'm wrong here is because Ceejay has been 120% disengaged here and idk what he would expect me to do if not hard scum read him.

I am disengaged here. I might come back to this but I'm not feeling up to it right now.

I urge you to look for scum aside from pushing me today. It would be worth your time.

[ceejayvinoya]

[quote="In post 897
Now see this scum game of him, where he like here just surfs the flow of the thread and doesn't sound gamesolvey by himself:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10307858

This is scum!Ceejay imo, I'm pretty confident and would be really surprised if he doesn't flip red here.[/quote]

like if you read this you'll find out I was busier there and trying to stay townread or at least above null.

I got to lylo there.

[ceejayvinoya]

ebwop

Now see this scum game of him, where he like here just surfs the flow of the thread and doesn't sound gamesolvey by himself:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10307858

This is scum!Ceejay imo, I'm pretty confident and would be really surprised if he doesn't flip red here.

like if you read this you'll find out I was busier there and trying to stay townread or at least above null.

I got to lylo there.

[northsidegal]

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