I think this is overanalyzing things; like you mentioned, Pine had lockscummed LLD. As soon as Pine claims gun, from LLD's point of view, if he lives to shoot, he's probably gonna shoot her, so she isn't making it to endgame without him getting lynched. The prerequisite conditions to take that risk from her point of view were probably met irrespective of any plan she had for winning the game long-term.Blake wrote:The biggest thing that would impact it for me, which is also sadly something I would have difficulty answering by myself, is what type of plan LLD would have for endgame in this specific scenario. Aiming for a lynch on a confirmable town is inherently risky by its own right, and it's important to note what kind of prerequisite conditions have to be met for that to be a worthwhile risk to take. It's fairly clear to me that she had taken into account being lynched for it the day after based on how she handled day three, so it's probable that the scumteam either had few options that lead them to a victory (if not only the one), or it was the simplest option they had.
That said, this is kind of fair; it's maybe a bit reductive to say that he "had to" do anything, but I think he may have felt like he had to push pine (to keep LLD alive longer and give more options in endgame) and I've explained why his arc in d3 makes sense from scum.With this in mind, the biggest key to me for sorting hito as either alignment once and for all is whether he necessarily had to push the game towards both specific lynches D2 and D3.
I don't know how strong the absolute strength of hito's scumgame is generally considered to be; the strength of my scumgame has varied a lot over the years, but if you want nice relatively fresh meta, there's MLP available. I got lynched d2 but I was being very much powerbussed by both scum and there were a lot of townies (e.g. bins, the worst) who iirc had me as strongly town until I died or at least shortly before. I think I played a good game overall in it.I'd just like to note that this can potentially be observed from another angle.
If LLD was the primary wagon at the start of day two with someone who wasn't entirely confident in securing two mislynches by themselves, would it not suddenly make sense for LLD to be willing to risk a play like that? In this specific scenario, with Pine having lockscummed her and having a vigilante shot if he isn't lynched that day, it would be very important to secure the other slot's spot in the endgame as much as possible.
This obviously still applies regardless of who the second scum is, but it's more pressing in this case assuming that the suggested implication is that implosion is a weaker scum player than hitogoroshi is.
I think both me and hito are probably fairly confident scum players.
