In post 905, Bitmap wrote:I fixed my avatar to fit the theme of this game. Her name is San Diego.
I wish Gamma would change it as well.
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:03 am
by TemporalLich
If I had to give a meta read I'd say Gamma feels off-meta
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:08 am
by popsofctown
None of the reasons I've been scumreading Bitmap this game have been meta tells, Kerset, they're universal things, including the slip. His post length and frequency are pretty similar to how he always plays. I have actually spent very little time with Bitmap in a game where his alignment wasn't confirmed to me by the setup or factions, though, so I likely haven't paid attention to lots of details.
...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.
No.
What's your "no" referring to? Bitmap being scum? Gamma being scum? Gamma and bitmap having associative potential? Working with associatives at all? Pops being town?
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:22 am
by Farkran
In post 894, Bitmap wrote:I don't do long explanations or huge wall posts. I'm a simple ship girl waiting to meet my commander.
In post 735, Bitmap wrote:I think the trajectory towards Gamma isn't great and seems like an easy target.
Can you elaborate more on this? You've jumped off me in the same way when i was being wagoned by {suji, TL, alchemist, salamence}, now you're sus of {fark, pops} for being on gamma. What are your thoughts about the wagon targets and the people on them?
I too am interested in your analysis of pops (@bitmap)
Please?
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:43 am
by Bitmap
pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.
pops also has acted really weird around the Severa slot that Severa has picked up like pops seems to be avoiding any major conflict in D1 and just coast.
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:44 am
by Bitmap
pretty sure Severa is town btw because this follows their town meta, however I have not seen Severa scum in a long while so this needs to be refined more
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:47 am
by Salamence20
In post 917, Bitmap wrote:pretty sure Severa is town btw because this follows their town meta, however I have not seen Severa scum in a long while so this needs to be refined more
Is there a difference in meta between Severa and GOD?
...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.
No.
What's your "no" referring to? Bitmap being scum? Gamma being scum? Gamma and bitmap having associative potential? Working with associatives at all? Pops being town?
I have no interest in Gamma getting lynched today.
Pops should be voting TL but just keeps avoiding it until she got pressured.
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:48 am
by TemporalLich
hmm... I still townread pops but I can see a little why pops isn't "obv!town"...
I thought pops was an obvious town leader... but there is deepwolf potential...
pedit: with a naked vote off me and onto Gamma in 891 with no context, I can definitely see that.
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:56 am
by Farkran
In post 916, Bitmap wrote:pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.
pops also has acted really weird around the Severa slot that Severa has picked up like pops seems to be avoiding any major conflict in D1 and just coast.
Thank you!
So, let's see if i got this correct. This is my reasoning step by step:
1) you think that Gamma and TL are low-hanging fruits, therefore subject to preying votes from scum. I read this as "you're at least null-townleaning them".
2) you think that pops is one such scum, preying on Gamma and TL for being easy mislynches.
3) Earlier in the day (80), i assume that you made the same reasoning about me when i was being voted by {suji, TL, alchemist, salamence}, specifically about TL. Correct me if i am wrong, this is my deduction from what you have posted so far, i am not 100% sure my interpretation is correct.
4) Therefore, you probably thought i was also a low hanging fruit, whom TL was preying on. But you never voted him.
5) Then, you reconsidered TL and started thinking he was just wrong!town, which makes sense, but it should ring a bell inside you that even town people could prey on low-hanging fruits
6) Now you placed a vote on pops for doing pretty much the same thing on gamma that TL did on me.
7) This led me to ask myself the following questions:
-7a- Why didn't you consider the possibility that pops was wrong on gamma?
-7b- Why didn't you vote me for pushing gamma?
The only difference in points 4, 7a and 7b is that pops was also scumreading you, whereas me and TL were not.
If i am correct, i think you are scum
Otherwise, please talk to me about why i am wrong.
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:08 pm
by popsofctown
I do feel weird about Severa slot. I respect RC's ability to develop reads. But giving him the amount of deference I gave him in magical girls felt really, really unsatisfied as soon as I was viewing it from a dead PT, it was just like, I didn't accomplish even half of what I feel I accomplish in games where I'm a day 1 mislynch because I was following too much both on votes spotlight pushing, and that felt bad even before I found out whether I'd won or lost. That puts me in a funky spot because I know it takes pretty good reasons to think he's wrong about anything but I don't want to follow it again either.
He's also a player who I can't possibly provide what he needs to see from me as town like fundamentally or something. He always scumreads me. In most lobbies when I roll town people will get a little miffed about something with my play day one and I can kind of pick up on what it is, and provide more of that, and it mellows out. RC just got madder. It's kind of funny. I don't get put out about getting misread. But it was super pointless that I spent any time trying to spew last time around. I'll die or not. I should have solved more.
If you mean cooperation with him and discussing reads, his reads are really different from mine this game but I'm just going to explain why I have the reads I have not try to stage a "major conflict" about it. Most of the time I don't understand his reads or they're particularly terse, I felt kind of relieved I understood what he was saying about Kerset for once, but with more information I am shading that slot green now.
Reposting Severa's neighbor words publicly after a fixed time delay like he's a twitch streamer on a delay or something is probably pointless versus him stating it directly, though. It's also obnoxious. But it should be sufficient that it's pretty stupid. Decide whether the info is public or private.
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:09 pm
by popsofctown
Many preview edits
but they don't look too relevant
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:10 pm
by Kerset
In post 916, Bitmap wrote:pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.
I start to feel that you want to enforce this idea of "unconventional townies", just so you can feel free to play this game in dodgy way.