Mini 2123: Greatest Idea IX - Game Over

[EspressoPatronum]

I will; have done it before but I want to be 100% sure. I'm probably end voting you so if you want to 1v1 someone it will have to be me, or if I'm wrong we just lose but I don't think I'm wrong.

The only offsetting thing here is the existence of an alien but I

thought the same thing that Ovines said about your rolecop claim

.

I addressed this earlier. If you're going to try suggesting I'm not a rolecop, you need to answer the question below (bolded and highlighted for convenience).

I'm also still thinking EP might be scum. He says hes a rolecop but if he were mafia, he would know who is town and everyone just revealed their roles so hes Scott free

EP probably doesn't have any night actions

See below:

Not sure why there were no scum kills but if it was due to a protective- good job! Keep it up!

As for my reads today, I think suji and CSF are definitely town, kerset and pb are most likely town so that leaves espresso and sircakez as scum

Thoughts?

What makes you think CSF and Kerset are town?

I have a

role-related reason to believe Sircakez has a reduced chance of being scum

, so I'm interested to see why you think he's scum.

More importantly, what faction

?

Alignment: town FBI agent.
Role: town rolecop.
- I have checked

SirCakez

and PB.

Popcorn to Kerset.

In addition, I know the roles of PB and SirCakez. We'll get more value from the massclaim if we leave these 3 to the end.

In which order did you check them?

Cakez on N1, PB on N2

Why would I say that about Cakez if I didn't know he was a seer?

In addition, I claimed rolecop earlier than most others claimed their role. Fake claiming a single role (such as rolecop) would open me up to a counterclaim.

[EspressoPatronum]

Summary of Claims

TemporalLich:

Align - unknown mafia
Role - mafia watcher
Discard - WW tracker

Titus

Align - unknown town
Role - town follower
Discard - alien BP lover

Pink Ball/TrueSoulEnergy

Align - VT
Role - unknown roleblocker
Discard - town compulsive BG

EspressoPatronum

Align - town FBI agent
Role - town rolecop
Discard - mafia ninja

GlowingOvineChimes

Align - town retired marine
Role - town vigilante
Discard - VT

BBmolla

Align - unknwon survivor
Role - conspiracy theorist
Discard - tentacled town

Kerset

Align - VT
Role - one-shot dayvig
Discard - SK Alien-immune

Non lmh

Align - wild card (town compulsive hider)
Role - unknown jailkeeper
Discard - VT

Sujimichi

Align - town JOAT
Role - town watcher
Discard - maf goon

Untrod Tripod

Align - unknown WW
Role - alien bloodsucker
Discard - hirsute goon

Yshtola Rhul

Align - town gravedigger
Role - town mason cop
Discard - town cop

SirCakez

Align - town conspiracy theorist
Role - mafia seer
Discard - WW cop

Cat Scratch Fever

Align - unknown WW
Role - alien one-shot mass redirector
Discard - alpha WW

Micc's deck

Town Cards (80)

1.

Vanilla Townie

Nom Imh discard
2.

Vanilla Townie

GOC discard
3.

Vanilla Townie

TSE/PB alignment claim
4.

Vanilla Townie

Kerset alignment claim
5. Vanilla Townie
6. Vanilla Townie
7. Vanilla Townie
8. Vanilla Townie
9. Vanilla Townie
10. Vanilla Townie
11. Vanilla Townie
12. Vanilla Townie
13. Vanilla Townie
14.

Town Cop

Yshtola discard
15. Town Cop
16. Town Seer
17. Town Seer
18.

Town FBI Agent

EP alignment
19. Town FBI Agent
20.

Town Conspiracy Theorist

SirCakez alignment claim
21.

Town Conspiracy Theorist

BB role
22. Town Conspiracy Theorist
23. Town Bloodhound
24. Town Miller
25. Hirsute Townie
26.

Tentacled Townie

BB discard
27. Watchlisted Townie
28. Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie
29. Town Lover
30. Town Lover
31. Town Cop Lover
32. Town Seer Lover
33. Town Mason Lover
34. Town Mason
35. Town Mason
36.

Town Mason Cop

Yshtola role
37. Town Mason Seer
38. Town Mason Doctor
39. Town Doctor
40. Town Doctor
41.

Town Compulsive Bodyguard

TSE/PB discard
42.

Town Watcher

Suji role claim
43. Town Tracker
44. Town Roleblocker
45. Town Jailkeeper
46. Town One-Shot Vigilante
47. Town One-Shot Vigilante
48.

Town One-Shot Dayvig

Kerset role
49. Town One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner
50. Town Supersaint
51.

Town Compulsive Hider

- Nom Imh's alignment 2
52. Town Bulletproof Lover
53.

Town Vigilante

GOC role claim
54. Town Weak Fruit Vendor
55. Town Fruit Vendor
56. Town Compulsive Childkiller
57.

Town Jack-of-all-trades

Suji alignment claim
58. Vengeful Townie
59.

Town Retired Marine

GOC alignment claim
60. Ascetic Townie
61.

Town Gravedigger

Yshtola alignment
62. Town Nymphomaniac
63. Town One-Shot Governor
64. Town Innocent Child
65. Town Treestump
66. Town One-Shot Kingmaker
67. Town Weak Jailkeeper
68. Town Vanilla Cop
69. Town Compulsive Visitor
70. Town One-Shot Commuter
71. Town Cop-of-all-Trades
72. Town One-shot Gladiator
73. Town Lynchbait
74. Town Psychiatrist
75. Town Reloader
76. Town Parrot Role
77. Town Motion Detector
78. Town Voyeur
79.

Town Follower

Titus role
80.

Town Rolecop

EP role

Mafia Cards (19)

81.

Mafia Goon

Suji discard
82. Mafia Goon
83. Mafia Goon
84. Mafia Goon
85.

Mafia Seer

SirCakez role claim
86.

Hirsute Goon

UT discard
87. Mafia Lover
88. Mafia Doctor
89. Mafia Watcher
90. Mafia Tracker
91. Mafia Roleblocker
92. Mafia Jailkeeper
93. Mafia Strongman
94.

Mafia Ninja

EP discard
95. Mafia One-Shot Bulletproof
96. Mafia One-Shot Dayvig
97. Mafia Godfather
98. Mafia Cupid
99. Mafia Reflexive Doctor

Werewolf Cards (19)

100. Werewolf
101. Werewolf
102. Werewolf
103. Werewolf
104.

Werewolf Cop

SirCakez discard
105. Werewolf Miller
106. Werewolf Mason
107. Werewolf Doctor
108. Werewolf Watcher
119.

Werewolf Tracker

TL discard
110. Werewolf Roleblocker
111. Werewolf Jailkeeper
112. Werewolf Strongman
113. Werewolf Ninja
114. Werewolf One-Shot Bulletproof
115. Werewolf One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner
116.

Alpha Werewolf

CSF discard
117. Werewolf Supersaint
118. Werewolf Compulsive Hider

Alien Cards (9)

119.

Alien Bulletproof Lover

Titus discard
120. Alien One-Shot Unlynchable
121. Alien Prober
122. Alien Vanillaiser
123. Alien Silencer
124. Alien Psychotrooper
125.

Alien One-Shot Mass Redirector

CSF role
126.

Alien Bloodsucker

UT role
127. Alien Sympathiser

Self Aligned Cards (10)

128. Lyncher (target to the left)
129. Lyncher (target to the right)
130.

Survivor

BBmolla alignment
131. Survivor Mason
132. Survivor Compulsive Bodyguard
133. Serial Killer One-Shot Unlynchable
134. Serial Killer Two-Shot Bulletproof
135. Serial Killer Mafia-Immune
136. Serial Killer Werewolf-Immune
137.

Serial Killer Alien-Immune

Kerset discard

Alignment Changing Cards (3)

138. One-Shot Townie
139. Underdog
140.

Wild Card

Nom Imh alignment 1

NOTES:

- Nom Imh's role was one of the 3 JK cards (town/WW/maf), but it is unclear which one.
- TL claimed VT alignment but had an unknown mafia card for alignment
- CSF claimed black goo for alignment but had an unknown WW card for alignment
- UT had an unknown WW card for alignment

[Pink Ball]

I mean EP could still be mafia...

That's what I think

[EspressoPatronum]

That VT claim by TSE/PB....

[EspressoPatronum]

PB as an alien roleblocker explains why Ovine died when he did.

If we were all out of scum by that point, PB had no excuse to block Ovine beyond that one night. We would have had a vig going uncontested all the way to lylo, meaning an alien would almost certainly lose.

Better to go for a tie than a loss, I suppose.

[Pink Ball]

Ok you could be a rolecop, let's keep with that. You could still be mafia who tried to look town by discarding another mafia card. And even if you say "I didn't know you didn't get a PM when you were roleblocked even when you didn't made an action" is slimy. Your "I wasn't roleblocked" looked like trying to cover the no nightkill 'cause you actually didn't submit a nightkill. You didn't rolecop either 'cause there was no point.

I don't know what to do right now, I really don't think I'll change my mind 'cause SirCakez being an alien is the only chance for you to be town and I don't really think his game makes sense as any scum faction, including alien.

p-edit: oh there you go, that's the change I needed to see.

VOTE: Espresso Patronum

[Pink Ball]

Yeah, it's solved. Sorry Cakez, it will be your call

[Pink Ball]

Only chance of me being scum is alien and that's the only chance EP has for winning this. It makes sense that he didn't conceded when I asked him to do it

[EspressoPatronum]

@PB - You 'risking' the game by roleblocking me two nights ago also doesn't add up.

If Kerset was non-alien scum and you were town, you were 100% dead. They would have lynched me as a result (bcz Cakez' last message was to block Kerset), and scum!Kerset would have won.

If I was non-alien scum, your roleblock was unnecessary, as blocking Kerset would mean someone else died (either you or Cakez). That would have cleared Kerset + allowed you/Cakez to vote me.

But instead you took a random 'hero' play and set me up to die in lylo*


*I suppose it's lynch or tie, so LyTi?

[EspressoPatronum]

VOTE: Pink Ball

Half of me wants to give you the tie for the effort.... but the other half wants the W.

[Pink Ball]

Oh so you're claiming I didn't roleblock you two nights ago?

[Pink Ball]

If Kerset was actually a survivor, scum!you or scum!SirCakez would have won by shooting me. I had to risk it because of Kerset's post. And I fucking nailed it.

[Pink Ball]

You just slipped there not taking in consideration the survivor alternative!

[EspressoPatronum]

Oh so you're claiming I didn't roleblock you two nights ago?

I believe that you did, but I'm saying you would only do that as scum bcz you knew it wouldn't have game-losing repercussions.

It would have been more accurate to say "the [reasons] for you 'risking' the game by roleblocking me two nights ago also [do not] add up."

[Titus]

I think we should lynch EP. It feels dirty to lynch EP based off the same newbie error I made when I was a newbie, but it makes the most sense.

Alien PB likely just wins last night.

[EspressoPatronum]

Alien PB can't win because he already shot Ovine.

[Pink Ball]

Also, why would I want to lynch the claimed survivor if I were alien?

EP I'm sorry but you picked the wrong 1v1 and I lured you to it. You have absolutely no chance of winning this. I appreciate the effort after me getting scum lynches back to back and taking the right decisions, but you won't win.

[Pink Ball]

Alien PB can't win because he already shot Ovine.

So you're claiming I decided to go for a tie instead of trying to win. That wouldn't be towards my win condition, and I'm pretty sure Ovine was townlocking me so why would I do that?

[Pink Ball]

Alien!SilverBullet: "let's lynch every single scum and kill the vig so I don't have any chance of winning this"

[EspressoPatronum]

Alien PB can't win because he already shot Ovine.

So you're claiming I decided to go for a tie instead of trying to win. That wouldn't be towards my win condition, and I'm pretty sure Ovine was townlocking me so why would I do that?

904

[Pink Ball]

Roleblocked CSF 'cause she was my biggest scumread, decided to counter TL 'cause I knew I could get them both lynched if I did instead of lynching CSF first and TL later: I can't be mafia.
Roleblocked the other werewolf helping town not get another loss.
Roleblocked you when there was a slim chance of town losing.

I fucking owned this game. Silver Bullet was, is and will be on point. Don't even try.

[Pink Ball]

PB as an alien roleblocker explains why Ovine died when he did.

If we were all out of scum by that point, PB had no excuse to block Ovine beyond that one night. We would have had a vig going uncontested all the way to lylo, meaning an alien would almost certainly lose.

Better to go for a tie than a loss, I suppose.

We were all out of scum by that point BECAUSE OF ME.

And I could leash Ovine 'cause she was fucking townlocking ME.

If I were Alien, I WOULD HAVE ALREADY WON.

If I were any faction other than town, I WOULD HAVE ALREADY WON.

Kneel to me.

[EspressoPatronum]

Yeah, you've played a phenomenal game. At the end of the day, I don't know what your thoughts were at the end.

The best I can do is guess on the lack of kills. Doing so suggests you're an alien. It's possible you started playing to not lose vs playing to win.

[Pink Ball]

Timing of Ovine's death make absofuckinglutely no sense for alien!SilverBullet. Let the vig make one or more mistakes and kill her after LyLo. Alien got only one shot, why use it there?

Also there's another hole in your theory: where is Ovine's shot in that night? Did she shoot herself? Or did I block her AND killed her at the same night? I don't think that's even possible my sweet EP, and you would know that.

[EspressoPatronum]

It's also tough to recover here because you've been throwing light shade on me for the last few in-game days. I dismissed it as paranoia, but it's clear you've planned this for a while.

Nancy Drew did the same thing to me in CoaLITion.