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In post 895, davesaz wrote:How do you feel about Hectic?

slightly town. In the null spectrum. Will be taking a greater look at that slot along with the rest of the votes around him

In post 876, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

but what do you think of this though?

Your askign others but what do you think?

Bob your d1 posts tended very strongly toward statements vs questions.
Today (and RL today in particular) tends much more toward questions.
Why the shift in approach?

In post 867, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 865, Adorable wrote:

In post 845, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 833, Adorable wrote:Chemist claimed and then he disappears for 3 days. Why did he not interact with other players and figure out who the scum are rather than giving up? Town should fight for their lynch figuring out who is scum and Chemist disappearing like that this is the kind of play I always find suspicious.

Chemist already flipped tho so

Who specifically do you think he was avoiding interactions with?

Holden pretty much said this and I think this is what Chemist wanted to do. It looked like Chemist didn't want to provide any associative information during day 1 when he gets lynched. If Chemist did started giving out reads and interacting with anyone, then there would have been some hints for us to work with figuring out who his scum buddies could be.

What do you make of bob here and on day 1? Do you think his logic makes sense and you agree with it, it doesn't make sense, or somewhere inbetween?
What are your stances towards people not name chem?
Would you eat a cooked llama burger?

From what I saw from bob that stood out to me he scum reads davesaz and votes him and he said Chemist is a 50/50 for him. Reading bob's post it looked like he was saying he wanted to lynch a slot he is scum reading instead of a player that he is 50/50 on. A player being 50/50 I would consider that a null read. Seeing that Chemist flipped mafia, bob is one of those players I've got on my poe.

Some of the players have been asking me the same question and I'll get to that after I reply to the posts that are responding back to me.

In post 902, davesaz wrote:Bob your d1 posts tended very strongly toward statements vs questions.
Today (and RL today in particular) tends much more toward questions.
Why the shift in approach?

one is when im analyzing , the other is when im interrogating. Normally the later takes less time so i do it on my work days and analysis teh result asn otehr stuff on my weekend

In post 872, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 870, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 869, Hectic wrote:

In post 867, HoldenGolden wrote:Would you eat a cooked llama burger?

What?! She may enjoy the good taste of a thick juicy slab of cooked llama goodness, smothered between a freshly pick sheet of lettuce, hand peeled onions, melted cheese, and two big wholesome wheat buns?

I'm going to propose modding a mini flavored around 101 ways to cook a llama. My gift to you and MT

In post 871, Hectic wrote:I would join that game, but only to raise awareness of your horrific actions against humanity and to form a save-the-llamas-coalition. I think lynching naysayers would be more important than lynching scum in that game. Back me up here, Morning.

i will join it if it comes to be, but know that I'm appalled by your imagery and you should feel bad ノ;﹏;ノ

@bob

, what's the conclusion you have from the analysis you're doing?

and adorable, are you saying this points to town!Alo or scum!Alo? I'm sorry if im missing the bottom line of what you're saying. So Chem left to avoid forming any associatives because she thought that her lynch was inevitable. I think this is likely, yes. but are you deducing anything other than just that observation?

Aaron and Hectic talked about a scum Aloratom in this situation and since Aloratom was the counter wagon to Chemist, my first post I asked if anyone thinks scum were on Aloratom wagon trying to get him lynched instead of Chemist. My thoughts were if Aloratom is town, then I think that would make Hectic town since he was the one who broke the tie to the wagons and if Hectic was scum, I think he would have voted Aloratom instead of Chemist.

In post 903, Adorable wrote:

In post 867, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 865, Adorable wrote:

In post 845, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 833, Adorable wrote:Chemist claimed and then he disappears for 3 days. Why did he not interact with other players and figure out who the scum are rather than giving up? Town should fight for their lynch figuring out who is scum and Chemist disappearing like that this is the kind of play I always find suspicious.

Chemist already flipped tho so

Who specifically do you think he was avoiding interactions with?

Holden pretty much said this and I think this is what Chemist wanted to do. It looked like Chemist didn't want to provide any associative information during day 1 when he gets lynched. If Chemist did started giving out reads and interacting with anyone, then there would have been some hints for us to work with figuring out who his scum buddies could be.

What do you make of bob here and on day 1? Do you think his logic makes sense and you agree with it, it doesn't make sense, or somewhere inbetween?
What are your stances towards people not name chem?
Would you eat a cooked llama burger?

From what I saw from bob that stood out to me he scum reads davesaz and votes him and he said Chemist is a 50/50 for him. Reading bob's post it looked like he was saying he wanted to lynch a slot he is scum reading instead of a player that he is 50/50 on. A player being 50/50 I would consider that a null read. Seeing that Chemist flipped mafia, bob is one of those players I've got on my poe.

Some of the players have been asking me the same question and I'll get to that after I reply to the posts that are responding back to me.

25:75 is null. well 23: 77 but who doesnt round up aka the odds of randomly picking someone

50:50 is scum lean but still pending an answer.

by sayign 50:50 im saying chemist is better than random. aka I endorsed a chemist lynch


dont forget for every 1 scum there is 3 town. So 50:50 is bad tern to use for null as its doesnt match the odds of scum/total players

In post 868, Hectic wrote:Fair point, Adorable. Do you have any suspicions on players at the moment? How do you feel about joining Morning and I on pressuring Gamma?

[HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, profii, Adorable, davesaz, Morning, bob3141]

Primes.

Gamma's iso is lacking content and some of his posts looked like he was agreeing with players. I've got a poe on Gamma, Holden, Aaron, Morning, bob, profii, dave. You and Aaron talked about a scum Aloratom but seeing that he was the counter wagon I will give him another chance since I don't often see scum being a counter wagon to a scum buddy. I'll join you on pressuring Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

In post 905, Adorable wrote:

In post 872, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 870, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 869, Hectic wrote:

In post 867, HoldenGolden wrote:Would you eat a cooked llama burger?

What?! She may enjoy the good taste of a thick juicy slab of cooked llama goodness, smothered between a freshly pick sheet of lettuce, hand peeled onions, melted cheese, and two big wholesome wheat buns?

I'm going to propose modding a mini flavored around 101 ways to cook a llama. My gift to you and MT

In post 871, Hectic wrote:I would join that game, but only to raise awareness of your horrific actions against humanity and to form a save-the-llamas-coalition. I think lynching naysayers would be more important than lynching scum in that game. Back me up here, Morning.

i will join it if it comes to be, but know that I'm appalled by your imagery and you should feel bad ノ;﹏;ノ

@bob

, what's the conclusion you have from the analysis you're doing?

and adorable, are you saying this points to town!Alo or scum!Alo? I'm sorry if im missing the bottom line of what you're saying. So Chem left to avoid forming any associatives because she thought that her lynch was inevitable. I think this is likely, yes. but are you deducing anything other than just that observation?

Aaron and Hectic talked about a scum Aloratom in this situation and since Aloratom was the counter wagon to Chemist, my first post I asked if anyone thinks scum were on Aloratom wagon trying to get him lynched instead of Chemist. My thoughts were if Aloratom is town,

then I think that would make Hectic town since he was the one who broke the tie to the wagons

and if Hectic was scum, I think he would have voted Aloratom instead of Chemist.

While I don't disagree with your read on hectic in terms of his alignment, hectic did not push the chem wagon over the 4-4 wagon split. My vote did.

Iirc hectic put it to four then the Alo wagon materialized to four, though my memory is bad.

In post 907, Adorable wrote:

In post 868, Hectic wrote:Fair point, Adorable. Do you have any suspicions on players at the moment? How do you feel about joining Morning and I on pressuring Gamma?

[HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, profii, Adorable, davesaz, Morning, bob3141]

Primes.

Gamma's iso is lacking content and some of his posts looked like he was agreeing with players. I've got a poe on Gamma, Holden, Aaron, Morning, bob, profii, dave. You and Aaron talked about a scum Aloratom but seeing that he was the counter wagon I will give him another chance since I don't often see scum being a counter wagon to a scum buddy. I'll join you on pressuring Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

you just listed a PoE of 7, there are 10 players excluding yourself

That seems odd

Or are you just saying you are happy the other 3 are town. I guess that is less odd.

Seems an odd way to say it

In post 880, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 862, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 839, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 815, HoldenGolden wrote:That's kinda why I feel chem intentionally didnt say anything to avoid draw associations one way or another, faking the reading on Alo entirely. The main question now is rather or not it was done to shade alo upon flipping red, or to prevent more analysis linking to two together today.

I

'm kinda feeling like if Chem is scum and Alo is town, he tries to push Alo a little bit more in order to save himself.

Chem didn't really try too hard to save himself so either he thought there was just no point bc he thought he'd get lynched or he felt disassociated enough from his partners that he was fine with going down.

That's my issue. Chem as scum should of at least tried to push something on town!alo rather than laying down and taking the lynch without voicing any concrete reads. Now that I know he can produce content as scum when replacing into an suspicious slot, I am back pondering if the wagons were SvS.

In any case, I feel I am going to ponder this particular point too much and end up circling around in what is speculation of what scum! chem would do. Do you think trying to crack this idea is worthwhile? I've been thinking inbetween writing a paper outline about it and keep coming to some different conclusions.

The lack of progression on Alo reads as scum who's not sure what to do upon replacing in and seeing that him and his partners are both top wagons.

The one point for town!Alo is that if chem is scum, why doesn't he try to townspew Alo? Maybe he thought he couldn't do it without leading an actual lynch onto lylo or maybe he thought it would backfire and he gets lynched anyways?

Also if Chemist didn't try and save himself much, then I feel like he believed at least one of his partners was townspewed enough to carry the rest of them to endgame.

You have highlighted why I'm finding the logic pointless to pursue.

I think both the "He didnt interact due to not wanting to create assiocatiom" and "scum!chem most likely would of townspew scum!" Are both valid points to assume which cancel eachother other.

Also a fair point about chems partners. Who so far fits that bill for you in terms of strong townread player = scum (since alo doesnt qualify)

In post 910, profii wrote:Or are you just saying you are happy the other 3 are town. I guess that is less odd.

Seems an odd way to say it

I do agree it is a tad weird.

What's your aaron read you alluded to eariler?

I dont like his positioning around chem/alo and I want to push people not on chem

Hoctac here. Disappointed no one picked up on my PGO crumb from earlier; I thought it was pretty great.

Pinged by profii's 873 and 874. Looks disinegenous and more like fake scum hunting - in the same vein of him asking me about whether I had an encyclopedia of posts where I was scumhunting.

In post 876, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Gamma, have you read the thread?

In post 888, bob3141 wrote:

In post 874, profii wrote:Out of interest - @Bob - who in this player list has the most respect for your scum hunting skills?

I hope someone does

You are a scumhunting god, bobman

In post 895, davesaz wrote:How do you feel about Hectic?

Why did you ask bobman that, Dave?

In post 915, Hectic wrote:

In post 895, davesaz wrote:How do you feel about Hectic?

Why did you ask bobman that, Dave?

Kinda want to know the answer to that question from everyone. Bob happened to be here at the time.
It's better to not talk in depth about why, at least for now.

Actually talking about the why likely doesn't matter.
Everyone who targeted you appears to TR you.

In post 907, Adorable wrote:

In post 868, Hectic wrote:Fair point, Adorable. Do you have any suspicions on players at the moment? How do you feel about joining Morning and I on pressuring Gamma?

[HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, profii, Adorable, davesaz, Morning, bob3141]

Primes.

Gamma's iso is lacking content and some of his posts looked like he was agreeing with players. I've got a poe on Gamma, Holden, Aaron, Morning, bob, profii, dave. You and Aaron talked about a scum Aloratom but seeing that he was the counter wagon I will give him another chance since I don't often see scum being a counter wagon to a scum buddy. I'll join you on pressuring Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

I agree with this point about Gamma's iso, but my poe is a little smaller.

Has your view on Hectic changed since Holden corrected you?

In post 914, Hectic wrote:Hoctac here. Disappointed no one picked up on my PGO crumb from earlier; I thought it was pretty great.

Pinged by profii's 873 and 874. Looks disinegenous and more like fake scum hunting - in the same vein of him asking me about whether I had an encyclopedia of posts where I was scumhunting.

In post 876, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Gamma, have you read the thread?

What is pgo or does it matter?

In post 900, bob3141 wrote:

In post 895, davesaz wrote:How do you feel about Hectic?

slightly town. In the null spectrum. Will be taking a greater look at that slot along with the rest of the votes around him

What does that mean, "the rest of the votes around him?" I hear that and it sounds like filler

PGO = paranoid gun owner. Kills anyone who targets it. Obviously he isn't actually that role or there would be a whole lotta bodies.

I can anticipate the answer that Bob gives but won't interfere with the question.

In post 154, AaronFrost wrote:I went ahead and compared Wake's entrance in this game to his scumgame that I modded and I think I agree with a townlean there. I think he's tonally different compared to that game and here he has a better interest in solving than he did there, specifically by bringing up the meta thing.

In post 233, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 181, profii wrote:

In post 173, Hectic wrote:

In post 95, profii wrote:Weird that Wake went for meta instead of declaring his hatred for day 1. Town points there I think

What alignments has Waka Waka been when you've seen him declare Day 1 as the work of the abyssals? And if they're all town, then why does this difference earn him town points rather than scum points?

1st question - no idea. Only played with him once or maybe twice

My logic is "didnt care to reproduce known meta = town"

Especially such an obvious meta

I remember from that game I linked that he said he was trying to break out of that meta so I'm not really sure that's much of an alignment tell for him

ok so I got a bit of time before a dial in to try and add some meat to the bone of what I'm saying about Aaron.

Look at the quotes above, Aaron said Wake is trying to break away from meta, so his entrance isn't an alignment tell - but he is comparing Wake's entrance to other games to make an assessment of his alignment.
But I'm reading the response to my post as him telling me that isn't possible to do with Wake

Yet Aaron knows Wakes alignment - I also think Wake is the sort of person who has the reputation of being likable and a competent player - so he'd have to do something flipping silly to be a candidate for getting lynched. Ergo, scum would plan to just NK him, ergo, lets just town read and buddy him because we are never lynching him anyway


that's the vibe I'm getting

I'm sure there are more examples of this in the ISO... I'll see if I can pick another one out.

In post 302, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 273, SirCakez wrote:Hmmm I'm struggling to read people for the most part here. Not really finding any SRs so far other than that early Holden ping which is odd for me.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling the same way rn. I have no real scum reads and a few weak town leans on cakez, dave and hectic.

I town read all these players

-Hectic was the target of many actions, no one is jumping up and saying 'this is potentially a guilty' so I'm assuming nothing untowards
-Cakez flipped town
-Dave, I think I've seen a dave town tell but it only happened recently


so the weird thing is, even though it's weak, Aaron got 3 reads 'right' as far as my mind is working, way earlier in the game. I don't mean to infer that this is not possible or I am a superior player obviously - but I'm obviously getting at the point that scum just know so it could easily be that.

I take it we've already analyzed any interactions among other players with Chemist/tictac Day 1?

Also, if there's a protective PR please do me a favor tonight.