Newbie 2007: Air [game over!]

[Datisi]

Official Vote Count 1.13

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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

GeorgeBailey

(4): QuantumQuasar, 72offsuit, Poyzin, Quick

Quick

(2): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, Marashu

Marashu

(2): GeorgeBailey, LuckyLuciano

Not Voting

(1): teacher

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-02 18:20:00).

Mod notes:

• Searching for a replacement for NotAJumbleOfNumbers.
  
• Be civil.

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[Quick]

How about as Town?

The original quote,

Marashu, I don't like saying that activity is AI, partly because I understand how real life can get in the way of mafia, and partly because I don't have town meta from you to judge what your town activity looks like. However, you have consistently, as scum, disappeared until you have to get ready for work, promised content after work, and then disappeared again until you had to get ready for work again. Can I expect real content from you this evening?

And my lack of surprise is clearly warranted. QQ is high brow as town too.
I get that you messed up the multi quote. I just want to be 100% clear that what you say I said in 489 was also part of Quick's post, and that's not my 489 at all.

So you can check QQ's meta but not a SR? Yeah, you are looking worse and worse every post you make. I like my vote. And we lynch you D2 regardless of how GB flips.

[Quick]

Consider my vote spiritually on GB. I just don't want a self hammer.

UNVOTE:

[LuckyLuciano]

So you can check QQ's meta but not a SR? Yeah, you are looking worse and worse every post you make. I like my vote. And we lynch you D2 regardless of how GB flips.

I have played with QQ before.

[Quick]

So you can check QQ's meta but not a SR? Yeah, you are looking worse and worse every post you make. I like my vote. And we lynch you D2 regardless of how GB flips.

I have played with QQ before.

Link it.

[LuckyLuciano]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82274

[Quick]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82274

Alright. I asked this once before. Link the post that QQ does High Brow as Town.

[LuckyLuciano]

You think I'm manipulating you so I'm not going to grab a post out of context of the game itself. It's a 14 post ISO, you can read it for tone in a few minutes.

[Quick]

You think I'm manipulating you so I'm not going to grab a post out of context of the game itself. It's a 14 post ISO, you can read it for tone in a few minutes.

No, BoP is on you to provide.

[LuckyLuciano]

My wiki is right THERE check it if you doubt me.

The link is right THERE check it if you doubt me.

[Quick]

My wiki is right THERE check it if you doubt me.

The link is right THERE check it if you doubt me.

How do you expect me to think you are not manipulating me if you can't even answer a simple request?

[LuckyLuciano]

If I answer your request you are going to think I am manipulating you with whichever post I choose. If I don't answer your request you are going to think I am manipulating you by making you research it yourself. Do you see the problem and why it's so hard to work with you?

[LuckyLuciano]

@Datsisi, can we pause the deadline until we have a replacement for Jumble?

[Datisi]

If no replacement is found by then, deadline will be paused at 48 hours remaining.

[Quick]

If I answer your request you are going to think I am manipulating you with whichever post I choose. If I don't answer your request you are going to think I am manipulating you by making you research it yourself. Do you see the problem and why it's so hard to work with you?

Being manipulative is one thing. But having a defeatist attitude on top is not my cup of tea.

[Marashu]

Who do you have townreads on, and why?

I have a townread on Poyzin, who I feel is obvtown at this point. I'm TLing you - I was null on gibus but I think that you've been building up steam on solving the game. I don't agree with your logic as to why Poyzin vs Quick was TvS - how do you know scum wasn't manipulating it if it was TvT? I agree that it probably was SvT, but I don't see it one way or the other by examining the game state. I also have a gut TR on QQ.

So I guess my order right now for my headspace is

Marashu
Poyzin
QQ
Lucky

GB/Teach

72
Jumble/Quick

You seem to be leaning scum on 72, Quick, and Jumble. What has George done to earn a pass today? Why exactly is he more likely to be town than Jumble?

Not play scummy? I'm feeling about the same null energy from GB as I am from Teach. The big difference between the two is that GB is being pushed by my biggest SR (and 2/3 of my current scumpool). I concede that Quick/72 is an unlikely scumpair, but I'm really suspicious about this lynch, especially after the way Quick pivoted onto it.

Because this has been mentioned a few times now, my unvote from Quick when he was at L-1 was because that was still my RVS vote. I had skimmed to see where we were at, saw the L-1, and unvoted until I could process what had happened (I didn't want to risk a lolhammer). At the time I really wasn't sure what to make of Poyzin/Quick even by the time of my following post 8 hours later, but it did not look SvS so I tried to look for who could have been acting opportunistic around the fight (with the assumption that at least 1 scum was not in {Poyzin/Quick}, what would the other scum be doing?). This might be self-meta, but I don't really like not having my vote on someone, especially on D1 (being near LYLO being the exception). I feel like if my vote isn't on someone it is literally doing nothing to help town.

[Quick]

So I guess my order right now for my headspace is

Marashu
Poyzin
QQ
Lucky

GB/Teach

72
Jumble/Quick

What is this list based on exactly? Just vibes or what?

[Poyzin]

@Marashu, if Quick is scum, who's their mate?

[LuckyLuciano]

I can entirely buy a {George, Quick} scumteam, just as I can buy a {Marashu, Quick} scumteam. Quick is the kinda guy who hard pushes his team. Keep in mind he declared intent but didn't actually hammer, and unvoted to prevent a hammer on George.

UNVOTE: Marashu. Kinda just waiting on the Jumble replacement and Teacher's input to do anything at this point.

[Marashu]

@Marashu, if Quick is scum, who's their mate?

Probably Jumble, who was Quick's strongest TR. Maybe teach. GB could be a bus but I doubt it.

[Quick]

VOTE: GB

[Quick]

QQ, you asked what my method was?

It's Non-Associatives + # of posts.

That's it but I can do a LOT with it.

Currently, this is how people stack up with this method. Notable is that QQ keeps drastically climbing, LL keeps dropping, Poyzin is going up. Marashu is hard to read because of their playstyle, but they are trending up.

NAJM=, GB=
teacher=, 72-, Poyzin+
QQ+ > Null
Marashu +
LL -

[Quick]

VOTE: LL

[Poyzin]

Okay Marashu. Quick is not happening today. I do like your towncore because I agree wholeheartedly with the QQ and the Lucky town, and I think that your GB and Teacher null is completely reasonable as well. Personally, I think your case on Quick is weak and talks more about why you don't like their playstyle rather than why you think they are scum. Quick has been scumhunting; we're not getting rid of that D1 so they're off the table. The lynch pool is GB, 72, and you. I'm going to need a lot of convincing to look at other options now that we're ~70% done with D1. The PRs can do their PR stuff and we can carry on D2 based on today's flip.

[72offsuit]

Unvote

Will catch up in the evening