Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Deimos27]

Koba remind me why you have Clover as town.

[DkKoba]

First
VOTE: SleeperSoul

Anyone wanna form a townblock?

Hey guys! It's your resident obvtown SleeperSoul here to help us win on day 1 with the perfect coalition!



HEAL: votato
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: TuxedoMask

^The four of us just finished an epic game of True Love.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 65&start=0
I think I have pretty good soul reads on these fellows, listed in order of strongest to weakest.

HURT: Deimos

Deimos you were my cold hard scum soulread as I quickly scanned the list last night. So you could be scum, or we could just have very different souls, or it's just that your name sounds kinda evil

My name? Sounds evil?
Nononononono, you misunderstand
The Ancient Greek personification of terror is a very friendly fellow

Suuure.... If you're not evil, why did you vote me?

Why am I being discriminated against

I've tossed out my soulread on deimos, I think it was "our souls are very different".

In post 163, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 160, SleeperSoul wrote:
actually if I count myself as town then everyone else has exactly 75% chance of being town. I calculated this yesterday.


Also, according to my calculations, there are 28 possible scum pairs in this game if I count myself as town.

And what value does this latter calculation provide you? What is the value of outing it?

HEAL: pooky
His 'brutal honesty' about my ability to play scum reminds me of when we fought last game.

HEAL: deimos

You seem like a concerned townie. The calculation up there doesn't provide any value except for 'making me readable' to soul readers. I'm trying to show you guys my state of mind as a townie... I calculated it yesterday as a townie. It's borderline useless information..... but it is the truth.

pedit deimos is my strongest town read atm

So he was scum in the game you played? What he do that constituted "telling" you his alignment?

Sorry, 177 was directed to Pooky. I rarely do p-edits.

I'm trying to show you guys my state of mind as a townie... I calculated it yesterday as a townie. It's borderline useless information..... but it is the truth.

You call it showing your state of mind. I call it random LAMIST IIoA.
But ok, I recognize that some players can have this kind of 0 filter townmeta, so I'll wait on the meta argument and take a look myself later when I have motivation.

This is my third forum game, all so far have been town.

I played some IRL avalon with friends in high school who are used to my shenanigans and trust my intuition highly.

Ok, I buy 182. I do want to be

very

careful about calling activity town-AI in a setup that incentivises scum activity/towntelling, but I think the fact that Sleeper actually has 0 experience with scum more than compensates for that, and his spamming + lack of self-awareness is more likely towny than not.

Oh right, and HEAL: Deimos.

idk. the association read is wearing off but theres 1 scum between you 2 i feel

[DkKoba]

right now and throughout the whole game

this is annoying pls substantiate ur read

[DkKoba]

like something specific like that you can easily be like "oh you said this here etc"

[DkKoba]

Koba remind me why you have Clover as town.

I honestly dont remember myself

[Deimos27]

All I can tell you is that if I were scum with Sleeper I would've tried to keep one of us off the coalition. 1 scum between us is more reasonable.

[SleeperSoul]

like something specific like that you can easily be like "oh you said this here etc"

I am being specific. You are specificly being stubborn and oblivious RIGHT NOW.

[Deimos27]

Sleeper, do you think a
Deimos/Koba/Pooky/Wug/Klick
coalition is winning?

[DkKoba]

I seriously don't care about the "1 scum in 1 scum out" strategy. its meaningless to me. if I'm scum it comes down to preference of the path to victory. the "suboptimal" strategy is only slightly less optimal because of the pros of doing it. obviously you would more likely take the lower resistance coalition and if both of you end up on it its whatever bc hey at least u got thru that phase.

im just annoyed at hearin this "optimal strategy" thing bc scum is not going to explicitly follow it and push for it. and regardless you've been more critical of sleeper in recent posts so hey.

[SleeperSoul]

Koba I'm not sure if you're town or scum anymore or just really stubborn and oblivious.

pedit I'm unsure of koba so I would prefer them not to be in the coalition.

[Deimos27]

You were just talking about how much you think they are stubborn oblivious town

[SleeperSoul]

Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

[SleeperSoul]

I'm unsure of koba's alignment but I am sure that they are stubborn and oblivious.


Case in point for obliviousness: after grilling me for not substantiating my read on them, they go on to say this:

Koba remind me why you have Clover as town.

I honestly dont remember myself

[Deimos27]

im just annoyed at hearin this "optimal strategy" thing bc scum is not going to explicitly follow it and push for it. and regardless you've been more critical of sleeper in recent posts so hey.

It only makes sense to take a suboptimal coalition if that's all you can settle for. The gamestate was very cooperative and low resistance, there would've been no harm at least attempting to shade sleeper more and take someone else on-board.

[Deimos27]

In any case I really am town and I'm annoyed that you cling to a sr of me that you don't even know how to substantiate.

[Deimos27]

Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

Well if you had to exclude yourself, what would your coalition be?

[Klick]

I've been semi-keeping up with recent pages and they are telling me that Deimos is probably town
Going back to my catch-up~

[Klick]

HEAL: Klick/Tux
HEAL: Wug/votato

Is there a reason you specifically included our predecessors in this post?

[SleeperSoul]

Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

Well if you had to exclude yourself, what would your coalition be?

I would have to think about this pretty hard, reread everything again.... That's why my coalition is sparse at the moment.

If I need to do that, I can do that tomorrow morning.

[Deimos27]

HEAL: Klick/Tux
HEAL: Wug/votato

Is there a reason you specifically included our predecessors in this post?

Ease of remembering who replaced whom for myself and others.

[Deimos27]

Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

Well if you had to exclude yourself, what would your coalition be?

I would have to think about this pretty hard, reread everything again.... That's why my coalition is sparse at the moment.

If I need to do that, I can do that tomorrow morning.

I mean, it's not that complicated a question. It's basically "who is your strongest townread out of the players not currently on your coalition"

[Klick]

Sleeper is probably the townread I'm least willing to budge on

PEdit: it's not going to help people remember that well considering I replaced votato, not Tux

[Deimos27]

Oh wait what
That's pretty embarrassing

[SleeperSoul]

^^^lol


Anyways, I guess my two top noncoalition town are wug and klick.

[Deimos27]

My problem right now is that I'm pretty sure there's one scum in Clover/Aldus but I don't think they can both be scum and I can't figure out who the second is.