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Koba remind me why you have Clover as town.

In post 5, Deimos27 wrote:First
VOTE: SleeperSoul

In post 6, Deimos27 wrote:Anyone wanna form a townblock?

In post 9, SleeperSoul wrote:Hey guys! It's your resident obvtown SleeperSoul here to help us win on day 1 with the perfect coalition!



HEAL: votato
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: TuxedoMask

^The four of us just finished an epic game of True Love.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 65&start=0
I think I have pretty good soul reads on these fellows, listed in order of strongest to weakest.

HURT: Deimos

Deimos you were my cold hard scum soulread as I quickly scanned the list last night. So you could be scum, or we could just have very different souls, or it's just that your name sounds kinda evil

In post 11, Deimos27 wrote:My name? Sounds evil?
Nononononono, you misunderstand
The Ancient Greek personification of terror is a very friendly fellow

In post 12, SleeperSoul wrote:Suuure.... If you're not evil, why did you vote me?

In post 17, Deimos27 wrote:Why am I being discriminated against

In post 133, SleeperSoul wrote:I've tossed out my soulread on deimos, I think it was "our souls are very different".

In post 176, SleeperSoul wrote:

In post 170, Deimos27 wrote:In post 163, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 160, SleeperSoul wrote:
actually if I count myself as town then everyone else has exactly 75% chance of being town. I calculated this yesterday.


Also, according to my calculations, there are 28 possible scum pairs in this game if I count myself as town.

And what value does this latter calculation provide you? What is the value of outing it?

HEAL: pooky
His 'brutal honesty' about my ability to play scum reminds me of when we fought last game.

HEAL: deimos

You seem like a concerned townie. The calculation up there doesn't provide any value except for 'making me readable' to soul readers. I'm trying to show you guys my state of mind as a townie... I calculated it yesterday as a townie. It's borderline useless information..... but it is the truth.

pedit deimos is my strongest town read atm

In post 177, Deimos27 wrote:So he was scum in the game you played? What he do that constituted "telling" you his alignment?

In post 179, Deimos27 wrote:Sorry, 177 was directed to Pooky. I rarely do p-edits.

In post 183, Deimos27 wrote:

In post 176, SleeperSoul wrote:I'm trying to show you guys my state of mind as a townie... I calculated it yesterday as a townie. It's borderline useless information..... but it is the truth.

You call it showing your state of mind. I call it random LAMIST IIoA.
But ok, I recognize that some players can have this kind of 0 filter townmeta, so I'll wait on the meta argument and take a look myself later when I have motivation.

In post 189, SleeperSoul wrote:This is my third forum game, all so far have been town.

I played some IRL avalon with friends in high school who are used to my shenanigans and trust my intuition highly.

In post 194, Deimos27 wrote:Ok, I buy 182. I do want to be

very

careful about calling activity town-AI in a setup that incentivises scum activity/towntelling, but I think the fact that Sleeper actually has 0 experience with scum more than compensates for that, and his spamming + lack of self-awareness is more likely towny than not.

In post 196, Deimos27 wrote:Oh right, and HEAL: Deimos.

idk. the association read is wearing off but theres 1 scum between you 2 i feel

In post 899, SleeperSoul wrote:right now and throughout the whole game

this is annoying pls substantiate ur read

like something specific like that you can easily be like "oh you said this here etc"

In post 900, Deimos27 wrote:Koba remind me why you have Clover as town.

I honestly dont remember myself

All I can tell you is that if I were scum with Sleeper I would've tried to keep one of us off the coalition. 1 scum between us is more reasonable.

In post 903, DkKoba wrote:like something specific like that you can easily be like "oh you said this here etc"

I am being specific. You are specificly being stubborn and oblivious RIGHT NOW.

Sleeper, do you think a
Deimos/Koba/Pooky/Wug/Klick
coalition is winning?

I seriously don't care about the "1 scum in 1 scum out" strategy. its meaningless to me. if I'm scum it comes down to preference of the path to victory. the "suboptimal" strategy is only slightly less optimal because of the pros of doing it. obviously you would more likely take the lower resistance coalition and if both of you end up on it its whatever bc hey at least u got thru that phase.

im just annoyed at hearin this "optimal strategy" thing bc scum is not going to explicitly follow it and push for it. and regardless you've been more critical of sleeper in recent posts so hey.

Koba I'm not sure if you're town or scum anymore or just really stubborn and oblivious.

pedit I'm unsure of koba so I would prefer them not to be in the coalition.

You were just talking about how much you think they are stubborn oblivious town

Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

I'm unsure of koba's alignment but I am sure that they are stubborn and oblivious.


Case in point for obliviousness: after grilling me for not substantiating my read on them, they go on to say this:

In post 904, DkKoba wrote:

In post 900, Deimos27 wrote:Koba remind me why you have Clover as town.

I honestly dont remember myself

In post 908, DkKoba wrote:im just annoyed at hearin this "optimal strategy" thing bc scum is not going to explicitly follow it and push for it. and regardless you've been more critical of sleeper in recent posts so hey.

It only makes sense to take a suboptimal coalition if that's all you can settle for. The gamestate was very cooperative and low resistance, there would've been no harm at least attempting to shade sleeper more and take someone else on-board.

In any case I really am town and I'm annoyed that you cling to a sr of me that you don't even know how to substantiate.

In post 911, SleeperSoul wrote:Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

Well if you had to exclude yourself, what would your coalition be?

I've been semi-keeping up with recent pages and they are telling me that Deimos is probably town
Going back to my catch-up~

In post 784, Deimos27 wrote:HEAL: Klick/Tux
HEAL: Wug/votato

Is there a reason you specifically included our predecessors in this post?

In post 915, Deimos27 wrote:

In post 911, SleeperSoul wrote:Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

Well if you had to exclude yourself, what would your coalition be?

I would have to think about this pretty hard, reread everything again.... That's why my coalition is sparse at the moment.

If I need to do that, I can do that tomorrow morning.

In post 917, Klick wrote:

In post 784, Deimos27 wrote:HEAL: Klick/Tux
HEAL: Wug/votato

Is there a reason you specifically included our predecessors in this post?

Ease of remembering who replaced whom for myself and others.

In post 918, SleeperSoul wrote:

In post 915, Deimos27 wrote:

In post 911, SleeperSoul wrote:Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

Well if you had to exclude yourself, what would your coalition be?

I would have to think about this pretty hard, reread everything again.... That's why my coalition is sparse at the moment.

If I need to do that, I can do that tomorrow morning.

I mean, it's not that complicated a question. It's basically "who is your strongest townread out of the players not currently on your coalition"

Sleeper is probably the townread I'm least willing to budge on

PEdit: it's not going to help people remember that well considering I replaced votato, not Tux

Oh wait what
That's pretty embarrassing

^^^lol


Anyways, I guess my two top noncoalition town are wug and klick.

My problem right now is that I'm pretty sure there's one scum in Clover/Aldus but I don't think they can both be scum and I can't figure out who the second is.