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In post 697, chkflip wrote:I'm willing to accept that for now. What happened to your redtea read?

In post 849, the worst wrote:Dunnstral - was kinda scumreading but I'm growing lukewarm. he's not towny this game but it's also outside my expectation of Dunn's scumgame. he does not seem interested in looking good (which he is capable of doing). he seems more irritated with my OTT push than invested in rebutting them. scum before the above but not before the below I think?

In post 874, chkflip wrote:Wait



https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

hhhhHHHHHHH

Dunnstral you were alive a lot longer than me in this one (also I replaced out bc personal lives are fun).

I'm crazy y/n

In post 1928, Looker wrote:

In post 1873, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1861, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1850, Looker wrote:I don't understand Dunnstral's request to self-meta. When I'm scum I'm scum and when I'm town I'm town.

Your playstyle in this game is similar to our last game I saw you in, where you were mafia

Looker, you ask why I'm wondering about this, right? I can't differentiate your current play from the game you were mafia in.

What I'm saying to you is that, until you say "I've looked at games where you were town and games where you were scum, and this game most closely resembles the games wherein you were scum", I don't find your observation useful.

In post 883, Nepenthes wrote:

In post 881, Looker wrote:this stuffs really hard to type with one hand so osuka/superbowl and one of dunn chkflip neptune titus. gypyx and truth inspection later

This is the entire playerlist

In post 898, Looker wrote:Still would prefer osuka or superbowl today

In post 903, Titus wrote:

In post 883, Nepenthes wrote:

In post 881, Looker wrote:this stuffs really hard to type with one hand so osuka/superbowl and one of dunn chkflip neptune titus. gypyx and truth inspection later

This is the entire playerlist

I cannot parse this. Can someone explain it?

In post 871, Looker wrote:This whole game is just 'telling town what to do' so I don't see why my Post 413 would be so weird. I was going V/LA and wanted to post my thoughts, as opposed to superbowl who went V/LA and voted baselessly (or "nakedly").
It was also very obvious that I suspected bugspray, hence the call for hammer, and Psyche/Osuka, hence the call for sorting. The overlooked players I mentioned after that, superbowl also mentioned (with the exception of redtea for some reason), so I don't see what would "confuse" him about that.

In post 898, Looker wrote:Why would I count anybody out?

In post 905, Titus wrote:I'm debating getting off the Looker wagon and onto Truth. For Truth to be town, then both ICs must be agency captured. The looker wagon gaining steam raises concerns. Particularly of a chkflip + Truth team.

If Looker is scum, it makes things more likely that Truth is scum as well. I can't see scum diverting from Truth onto Looker in an S v S setup.

VOTE: Truth

In post 902, Not Known 15 wrote:Looker(4)superbowl9,osuka,Titus,chkflip,

Truth(3)WaltertheDunce10,Nepenthes,the worst,

Not Voting(2)Dunnstral,Gypyx,

osuka(2)Looker,Truth,

In post 900, Dunnstral wrote:I don't get what you mean, did I ever have a 'redtea read'?

In post 797, superbowl9 wrote:

Looker

I don't usually naked vote but some of your posts had pinged me and I was going V/LA, so I figured it would be the perfect time to see how you'd react to a vote with no case! I would characterize your reaction as paranoid, which isn't a good look. I will give you the case you so desire now

You seem to just have dropped my 451, then bring it back in 621 with a complete mischaracterization. Let's address this. You made a post essentially telling town what to do (413), I say "why are you baselessly telling town what to do - how is that helpful in any way" (451), then you come back 200 posts later and say "aha! you agreed with my reads in that post, so why were you clowning it???"(621)

Instead of using my post as evidence in a case against me,

can you go back and answer my 451

? The point of that post was not to degrade you, or to disagree with the players you want to sort, it was to figure out what was going through your head when you made 413, which I am still confused about.

More stuff wrong with your 621 - you point to 449 as though I am trying to bring attention away from psyche/osuka now that psyche is cleared, but psyche wasn't cleared until 454. I also don't know why you said I thought I would be alive D2 for this:

In post 449, superbowl9 wrote:that's something I will read back over and

hopefully

explore D2 as well.

All of that is really just misinformation that you've pushed though, and I'm really not inclined to view that as AI by itself. What I have been scumreading from you is your reasoning. You pushed a counterwagon for VCA stuff in 201, but abandoned that (admittedly very bad) idea 2 posts later to hop on the main wagon for the day (conveniently right after bugspray's crumb might I add?) To me this shows that the principle behind your votes has been quite weak.

Another ping for me is the paranoia in your recent posts - you seem quite anxious for a case on you that you can shut down and have been OMGUSy (which you also think is scum indicative LOL). This will make more sense when I get to dunnstral, but you both are like two sides of the same coin to me: you both pop in here and there and provide some guarded content, but dunn reads quite confident and goal-oriented with his, while you feel almost jumpy and lacking in distinct motivations with yours. I like my vote on you right now.



P.S. - Another post coming soon with other game thoughts, so I probably wont respond to stuff from this until that one's out. After that though I should be able to jump back into stuff.

In post 824, superbowl9 wrote:

Truth, the worst, and dunn

TW, you have been great since you came in. I do think, however, that you are focusing on the wrong things, and since your word is having a lot of sway (with walter even sheeping you), I think we should stop wasting time with discussion that's not going to bring us anywhere.

Firstly, this Truth wagon. I think it's fine if we want to policy elim Truth,

but we're having the wrong discussions about this slot

. We should not be talking about the reasoning behind their actions, and whether a certain post is scummy or towny. How are you going to accurately analyze the mindset of someone who claims D1, calls for others to claim for clarity, blindly sheeps, etc. etc. etc. To say that anyone can evaluate Truth's alignment using normal metrics I think would be foolish.

This leaves us with two options fmpov. One is to policy elim Truth ASAP. The other is to essentially treat Truth as a non-factor and ignore them until a decisive tell manifests or until we absolutely have to address them (2 town v 1 scum or some such scenario). I think there's a case for both sides, but if we want to policy elim we need to do it asap or it's just turned into our second scenario, except now we've wasted time and let scum fly under the radar as we have meaninglessly debated Truth. I was under the impression that we had decided to go with the second option Day 1, but if we want to reevaluate that's fine (although a little suspiciously looks like saving an easy ML till D2). Let's just have the discussion we should be having instead of a useless one that only seems productive.

On dunnstral - I said I would stuff him in town and re-evaluate D2, and he's continued to come off very towny to me since then. I find myself nodding my head at each of his posts (i understand that statement is extemely memeable), as they are accurate, help move the gamestate forwards, and just make sense from a town mindset. Granted a lot of this is contextual, so it's kind of hard to make a succinct case here without going into more detail about the context of certain posts/mindset stuff. I think that this is what a lot of the replaces who came in and started pushing him are missing tho - I think the worst kind of admits this by saying the case was clickbaity.

At the end of the day Dunn comes off as very "sit back and analyze" to me as opposed to "sit back and let other people do the work". It's easy to target that type of playstyle since he's not churning out towny content, but I think if you poke him you will see for yourself that he's thinking about stuff and not just sitting in the back picking off MLs. I also get that I haven't really provided hard evidence here, so if you want me to go into more details on these specifics lmk and I can give you a couple of his interactions that townpinged me.

Other stuff

Also don't understand the redtea case, I just don't see scum coming out swinging like he did and providing such specific early reads and theories, seems wayyyy more likely to be confident town having fun with the game than 8d chess scum to me.

Although the worst faked the gypyx result (-.-) I do like his reaction to being "conftown", it seemed very natural to me in the context of his behavior in our games together. As long as that content promise comes thru I have no major complaints with that slot.

I think my to watch list for now is Titus/chkflip/looker/osuka, particularly annoying is chkflip, as I was pretty solidly null on Nash and he seems quite competent, so it will probably be hard to get a read for a while. Can you just play worse please?

Osuka seems like another interesting slot for me that I will/have been having a tough time reading, but I they're on the to do list for now because I don't want to reread through his iso today. That is probably coming up soon tho, so watch out buddy

In post 824, superbowl9 wrote:I think my to watch list for now is Titus/chkflip/looker/osuka

In post 921, superbowl9 wrote:some weird VCA stuff