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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:00 pm
by Bell
A lot of players prefer playing as mafia or town, but not both equally. Often times you see a distinct difference in the frequency of posts depending on which alignment they are that correlates with whichever alignment they prefer.

I'm saying that you having townie energy is just another way of saying "This person seems enthusiastic, most people are right handed (prefer being town) so ShellyC must be right handed as well." But since you said you are a better scum player I would associate that with a preference to play as mafia. So your enthusiasm is a null or scum tell.

Do you like playing town or mafia more?

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:00 pm
by shellyc
My lynchpool today is Bella/Bulge/Andres. Bell has a townie mindset to me. I am leaning NS town - they are being protown and actively scumhunting. I hope the Nash replacement gives me a better insight on the slot.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:02 pm
by shellyc
In post 900, Bell wrote:A lot of players prefer playing as mafia or town, but not both equally. Often times you see a distinct difference in the frequency of posts depending on which alignment they are that correlates with whichever alignment they prefer.

I'm saying that you having townie energy is just another way of saying "This person seems enthusiastic, most people are right handed (prefer being town) so ShellyC must be right handed as well." But since you said you are a better scum player I would associate that with a preference to play as mafia. So your enthusiasm is a null or scum tell.

Do you like playing town or mafia more?
I like playing mafia more. I like being the informed minority.
Yes, I am enthusiastic about this game... which doesn't mean I am scum because I like being scum. I am enthusiastic about this game because I'm excited to jump into my second game of forum mafia as a townie.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:04 pm
by Bell
Sure, I can see you being enthusiastic as either alignment. Based on what you're saying. This is merely a null tell for you. That is, as either alignment when you start new things in a game that you enjoy, you appear enthusiastic.
I'm saying simply that it doesn't mean you're town.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:06 pm
by notscience
I didn't look in context but we had (Bella, IV, Andres, Walter)

IV was a common read

Andres was a common read

I feel like bella wasnt as common a read but hes since changed his tune to hard townread her today when it seems like shes had a lot of suspicion.

Walter wasnt really a common read I dont think

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:08 pm
by Bell
By the end, IV, I and you strongly implied we were town reading walter.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:09 pm
by Bell
It's interesting how Belle didn't like either wagon to my knowledge.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:10 pm
by Bell
But then again she was kind of crazy enough to think Walter wagon could happen. at deadline. So eh.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:12 pm
by notscience
The two of them were together on an early wagon (I think it was Andres? Walter? I was just looking but I forgot)

And Bulge was off Bella before she became a popular scumread as well.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:15 pm
by Bell
There's something to be said for players that were universally town read for no reason or had few players suspecting them.
For example Ourael and Nash were not pushed much if at all that entire day. It could be that one of them was the partner to a more active mafia.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:15 pm
by Bell
Won't know until we flip mafia though.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:20 pm
by notscience
Yup.

I don't want to clown you or shelly I don't think.

I am waiting for Nash's replacement to see what they do.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:26 pm
by Bell
In post 214, Ouroel wrote:I esp. like IV/Nash/Walter. Their reads are nice and shows a level of information expected from town. Like they don't have weird insider information or anything like that.
Changed my mind on Shelly, probably town.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:26 pm
by Bell
Woops, I was regoing over Ourael's post and I guess that came along for the ride.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:28 pm
by Bell
Scum team is probably Bellephant and Andre.
With Bulge and Nash being place holders for the rest.

Goal now is to figure out which of Bulge/Nash is town
and eliminate to victory from here I guess.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:38 pm
by shellyc
In post 912, Bell wrote:Changed my mind on Shelly, probably town.
Didn't you put me as null? What makes you change my mind on me?

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:39 pm
by shellyc
In post 911, notscience wrote:I am waiting for Nash's replacement to see what they do.
Me too. I can't read Nash here - they are lurking and that's making them unreadable.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:43 pm
by Bell
Ourael's posting was quite townie on second look.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:45 pm
by shellyc
Well, which parts of his posting were townie? IMO he's wuite unreadable

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:47 pm
by shellyc
*quite unreadable.

Also I feel the scumteam appears within Andres/Bella/Bulge/Nash. You and NS are my pretty solid townreads. All depends if Nash's replacement displays town-ness.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:49 pm
by Bell
In post 214, Ouroel wrote:I esp. like IV/Nash/Walter. Their reads are nice and shows a level of information expected from town. Like they don't have weird insider information or anything like that.
In post 215, Ouroel wrote:On the other hand, there are some like Bellaphant who would casually waste precious day wagon time by unvoting. By unvoting, you are wasting your precious 7 day since you aren't wagoning, and thus interrogating someone.
In post 216, Ouroel wrote:I'm leaning towards Clarity/Bellaphant or maybe Clarity/Bulge mafia, mainly because both Bulge and Bellaphant are both low-analysis players but Clarity is just outright no-analysis.
In post 230, Ouroel wrote:
In post 222, Bellaphant wrote:I am less engaged than I should be: our and IV are just the types of posters I find hard to engage with.
A little too underengaged honestly. I too find IV/Nash especially hard to make judgements on, but I still at least try to.
In post 222, Bellaphant wrote:but ns's reaction to me and convo with the bulge on this page (considering the last interaction they had where na thought tb was scum, and I've missed what changed)
You completely missed Bulge's conspicuous lack of engagement on his first post-wagon post?
In post 231, Ouroel wrote:
In post 225, innocentvillager wrote:we are all experienced enough to understand that activity and forming semi coherent reads “advances the game” and looks good so it feels like scum!us should be able to do that too and have at least as much incentive to do so
It's a lot harder to fake advance game as scum than it is to do so as town. Mainly because you have more information.

Town can literally say whatever the hell they want and it will feel genuine.
In post 233, Ouroel wrote:Alr, here's my "normal game town isn't stupid" reads:

IV: leaning scum
NS: leaning town
Bulge: leaning scum
Clarity: neutral
Nash: leaning scum
Walter: leaning scum
AndresVmb: leaning scum
Bellaphant: leaning scum

and here is my "this is a regular game of town of salem" reads:

Maf are Nash/Clarity

Game throwers who just made their free salem account are IV/Bulge/Bellaphant

Good town is notscience

Dumb town is literally everyone else
In post 234, Ouroel wrote:Reasoning: Nash/Clarity are basically how I would play if I was a mafia player in Town of Salem. Being the only competent town players in the game, period.

IV/Bulge/Bellaphant are absolutely notorious for having ultra-low information density in their posts. IV is especially notorious for that.

notscience is SE and my instincts would tell me that she isn't actually maf.

rest of you act like those town people who wagon then guilty someone the moment you hear "I AM SHERIFF X IS MAFIA!!!!!!!!!"
In post 237, Ouroel wrote:The real problem is that my reads have a 40% chance to be wrong due to this low-information space that is known as a D1 newbie game. I'm thinking we should wagon Bulge or something
VOTE: bulge
In post 239, Ouroel wrote:a wagon is a wagon, and this entire town feels super scum to me. 7 days on the clock so might as well do a good wagon
In post 256, Ouroel wrote:
In post 252, notscience wrote:
In post 247, innocentvillager wrote:NS, can you tell me the difference between your towngame and scumgame?
Ask bulge he’s one of those people that usually reads me pretty well

Typically activity levels and engagement. My only game since I’ve been back was picking a fight with kuribo.
Honestly, if you look at Bulge and look at his posts, you get the impression that he isn't really making an attempt to sus out maf. As of now, he has posted one-liners and jokes, and had not went all-out on the investigations.

We literally have 10 pages of posts and you are telling me that an SE can't find enough evidence to get someone?

I would have expected notscience's level of activity from you, honestly.
In post 304, Ouroel wrote:
In post 295, innocentvillager wrote:-Knowing that activity/engagement is a general towntell and thing you lack is one thing. ACTUALLY fixing it and ACTUALLY generating content quickly, coherently, and genuinely engaging based on that self-reflection knowledge is hard; harder for some than others. Like I know this is one thing that my scumgame lacks a lot (I also just suck at scum), but it doesn't mean that scum!me can just deliver the same confidence and "say whatever's on my mind" verbiage as town!me.
-So this is why I was curious of this and I don't think it's a bad question. If NS is sick enough to be aware of this meta AND bridge it effectively then that tells me a lot, and it also tells me a lot if he's like me and can't. Obviously Clarity hasn't flipped yet but let's just say she flipped scum; I think Nash's "theory" about scum!Clarity knowing about this activity/engagement towntell but actually finding it very difficult to genuinely interact shows parallels to what we're talking about.
That...actually explains a lot. Like why half your posts are weirdly laid back.

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:51 pm
by Bell
What happened here I think is that my first impression of his posts bled into later posts and I did not read with the recognition that these points had insight and thoughtfulness.

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:41 am
by Bell
Please pause the deadline while we search for rep.
V/la belle + replacement makes the game very difficult to be played

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:45 am
by beeboy
PlusJOYED replaces Nash.

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:52 am
by beeboy
Day 2, VC 3

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With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Bellaphant (2) -
notscience, Andresvmb
Andresvmb (2) -
The Bulge, Bell

Not Voting (3) -
Nash, Bellaphant, shellyc

Mod Note: Bellaphant is vla until sunday.


Deadline: (expired on 2020-08-29 01:10:00)