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Meh. After sleep and reread, im growing on ythan. I just cant find any town behavior. I realize too scum to be scum is a thing but the gamage seems too much to overlook. Is there any towncase besides too scummy?

I know this has been discussed so ill reread those comments

The biggest plus for a town Ythan is the assocatives with Gamma - Although Gamma ended up not voting the Salsa wagon, like I said, I don't anyone, even Gamma themselves, could have predicted how quick that wagon took off and resulted in a lim. If the Salsa wagon didn't take off, then it was clear Gamma was lining up on Ythan as his secondary push; and he would probably have had to follow through on that to avoid looking suspicious.

It could well be that he was just straight up trying to pocket me and didn't actually expect it to ever take off, but Ythan was starting to take a bit of heat from elsewhere, and that would have been the Goon bussing the RBer, which like I said earlier, I am not sure would have been a good play for scum at that point.

This is the difficulty I have here - you look at Ythans ISO, it reads scummy. You look at Gammas ISO knowing he is a Mafia Goon in an A1 game, and Ythan looks town.

If you made me pick between the two, I would lim Strangematter, but it is a close one and I am not confident of it at all. Thats why I think you need to lim me today, because to my eyes there is a reasonable chance we lim SM and the game doesn't end. I consider Ythan to be more likley town that SM, but that's based entirely on assocatives with Gamma.

Think of it this way: We have an advantage today that we don't normally have, in that there is one optimal play for scum if the game continues, that is obvious and independant of who scum is, and that is to Roleblock you and NK Dannflor. To do anything else would be silly. As such, we basically KNOW what the game state will be tomorrow, today; which is an advantage I've not had in any previous games.

The game tomorrow will be you deciding between Me and one of Ythan or SM; or else it'll be you deciding between Ythan or SM.

I also know something that you don't - that I am town. I understand you can't take my word for it, and I am not asking you to. You have also indicated that you find me scummy, and thought at least immeadately after the Dann PR claim that I should be the lim. Communicating that is to your credit, because it allows me to use the knowledge I have to game out the possibilities.

It comes down to this:

If there is any possibilty you would vote me tomorrow given the choice of Me v Ythan; town will lose.
If there is any possibility you would vote me tomorrow given the choice of Me v SM; town will lose.

I KNOW that, it's a hundred percent guarentee. You don't know that, and you can't take my word for it - there is a chance that I am scum and I am WIFOMing the fact I want to be mislimmed today and this is some big game, and secretly I am praying it buys me enough towncred that I actually get the two votes I know need to get my own elimination; but the ironic beauty of this is that, even if so, you vote me reason, and I get what I want anyway.

You and Dannflor are confirmed town, and we can squeeze this anti-scum manoureve though on our own if we have to. The easiest path to scum victory is hope we mislim the town of {Ythan, SM} today, and then wait for you to vote me tomorrow. From your perspective, voting for me today can achieve two things - We can take that away from them, AND you get to flip someone you obviously think is pretty scummy which to your eyes must mean a good chance of just ending the game today. It should be a no-brainer.

Sincerely appreciate those posts even if you flip red and it was a tactical advantage for you to make them.

Oof. That didnt come out how I intended but saying those posts were valuable to me from a learning the game perspective.

The only thing to take in to consideration is that basically your (Leaven) opinion, and thus your vote, is essentially the only on that is going to matter tomorrow. You are conftown, so the two remaining non-confirmed players will cross vote/push each other. It's a bit of a shitty deal, but you got it. As such, I suggest keeping what you think about Ythan v SM fairly close to your chest today, because scum is going to decide how to play today based on if they think they win the Ythan V SM matchup tomorrow.

Ythan, Strangematter; what do you think about voting me today?

The other thing*

In post 907, Val89 wrote:Ythan, Strangematter; what do you think about voting me today?

I believe I have already answered this and recently.

I want Strange to post

In post 909, Ythan wrote:I believe I have already answered this and recently.

You asked me what my plan was supposed to accomplish, and when I explained, your response was "Hm."

That wasn't much of an answer, so I figured I would ask again following said explanation.

In post 897, Ythan wrote:I don't want to eliminate you because I'm pretty sure it's just Strange.

This is unchanged.

You know if you're town and you don't get eliminated we win right? That's what being in this position says to me, but you're going in exactly the opposite direction. At least try to figure out who scum is, or something.

In post 910, Dannflor wrote:I want Strange to post

Hasn't posted since ten minutes before Val's self vote.

I can only reassure and confirm later that you and Dann are wrong about voting me.

As for Val89 voting himself, it to me seems like a gamble to get people off if they are scum. If I'm assuming what I think Val89 is assuming about specifically Leaven, I can see why he would do that as Town.

In post 915, StrangeMatter wrote:As for Val89 voting himself, it to me seems like a gamble to get people off if they are scum. If I'm assuming what I think Val89 is assuming about specifically Leaven, I can see why he would do that as Town.

So, are you planning to vote for me today, or not?

That answer smells awefully fencesitty...

Speaking of which, I kind of want people to read over my interactions with Gamma before really making the judgement I'm their partner.

@Leaven do you have specific reads and reasons for those reads so far?

Also, I would except I want this discussion right now instead of voting.

To me, if there's discussion you never give the chance to completely end it by hammer.

In post 917, StrangeMatter wrote:@Leaven do you have specific reads and reasons for those reads so far?

As I explained in my previous post; how a scum!SM approaches today, and particulary whether they endorse or poo-poo limming me today depends entirely on whether they think they will win the Ythan V SM matchup tomorrow.

Fensesitting on my plan, then asking Leaven exactly this question is precisely what a scum!SM needs to do here.

I suggest, Leaven, that you do NOT answer SM here; until he has given a proper indication on his thoughts about limming me today.

Thier* thoughts. Sorry.

You really only do see player’s scumplays don’t you. I guarantee this won’t help at all, but oh well.

A large part of this is that scum is between you and Ythan at this point of the game. As town, we’d win if both you and Ythan are voted out. Your plan to me could be played from what I think as two different perspectives. As scum, you’d do it as a last ditch effort to get Town to not vote you right now and look more town. If you are town, your plan leaves me, Ythan, and Leaven left. I don’t think, however that I can convince Leaven to vote Ythan who has a compelling case for being town by multiple people including myself.

I’m stuck on a phone for now, but that’s my thoughts. Also, you why do you want everyone to speak out their mind exactly?

I know that it can be seen as town to be open about your thoughts, but pushing this is actually a little odd to me that you would ask for this in the first place. You wanted to know, but that to me makes it seem like you’re about to adjust your scumplay onto me.

hey so ive had time to reset and think about the game away from a lot of my more conf-biased thoughts on the game

so i know this may sound ridiculous given everything I've said up to this point

but I actually think ythan is scum now

Anything I can respond to?