Page 37 of 84
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:47 pm
by Galron
TvT/SvS. But you didn't say anything about TvS. What gamma said about early game 1v1s mostly being characterized as TVTs really holds true. I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times that someone has popped in with "that 1v1 is probably TvT." Okay, so why can't it be TvS? Personally, I don't think either GMO or GE has done anything particulary scummy, but I don't see anything that screams town from them either. I will say that I can see a world where Gamma comes into this game a bit tilted and it's kinda the same reason I do, but I don't know that that's AI.
So tell me, why are you excluding TvS in this interaction?
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:50 pm
by Galron
In post 896, Kop wrote: In post 698, superbowl9 wrote: In post 697, marcistar wrote:
i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...
I think it buys a day, if he's alive tomorrow he hardclaims and we go from there
I can sense the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it. It feels like something that scum would be actively thinking, and are setting up the next day.
OKay try this again giving it a more generous reading.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:59 am
by T3
In post 866, superbowl9 wrote:
What are you gonna do vote me?
Start being townier and I'll gladly move elsewhere
nightkill you
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:01 am
by T3
In post 867, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 859, T3 wrote:
how does gamma react to a thought-out tunnel: a revised metadive in progres
Did you mean to quote that
In post 860, T3 wrote:Town Gamma in LN235 was tunneled by Nero. He tried to engage with Nero but then when Nero kept scumreading him for what be saw was irrational he just ignored Nero.
Eh that’s more-or-less true but the read on Nero is different than how I’m reading GMo here
Didn't mean to quote that.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:04 am
by T3
In post 878, superbowl9 wrote: In post 870, Roden wrote: In post 856, superbowl9 wrote: In post 802, T3 wrote: In post 747, superbowl9 wrote: In post 724, T3 wrote: In post 722, superbowl9 wrote: In post 716, T3 wrote: In post 697, marcistar wrote:
i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...
Nah.
Scum don't do that.
Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case
Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.
"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me
This isn't the kind of gambit scum does though.
Please stop overthinking this and just do what's clearly GTO. We stop talking about it and get a claim tomorrow if the slot's alive, then evaluate from there, I think we can agree on that much at least
Why are you so set on getting me to claim tomorrow?
Why so serious? You didn’t seem to have an issue softclaiming today
If you’re town, it at least gives us the full information (more helpful to town than scum since scum already have info advantage). If you’re scum it locks you into a role early and gives us a chance to spot a bs claim. Tell me, if you actually are a PR and survive the night, what benefit does concealing your full role serve at that point?
I would be screaming for your head if not for metagood.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:18 am
by DrippingGoofball
In post 893, Kop wrote:But she could be playing to her meta that everybody will know is her town meta
I have no meta.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:22 am
by DrippingGoofball
I'm locktowning Salsabil for *reasons*
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:31 am
by T3
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:32 am
by T3
In post 879, HockeyFan wrote: In post 877, superbowl9 wrote: In post 872, HockeyFan wrote:
so u think Gpas mafia right?
Also,
nvm im moving my vote over here rn
VOTE: Kop
the wagon orignally started out too fast but it kinda just dissipated when kops recent posting wasnt even towny
Uhhhh no?
i have no clue why now 2 ppl have said that Gpa/Gamma are TVT, like how does someone think that lol
People yelling at other people is usually tvt.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:34 am
by T3
In post 876, superbowl9 wrote: In post 871, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 856, superbowl9 wrote: In post 802, T3 wrote: In post 747, superbowl9 wrote: In post 724, T3 wrote: In post 722, superbowl9 wrote: In post 716, T3 wrote: In post 697, marcistar wrote:
i was trying to think about this but im so confused.. the biggest flag is "i cant be a townleader because of my role" seems like bs to me LOL... just seems a bit of an excuse so he could continue to slide by being inactive.
it isn't cool at all, but im not sure how to proceed...
Nah.
Scum don't do that.
Absolutely false and do not try to convince people that this is the case
Pretty much all the time when I've seen someone openly claim PR on day 1 without any reason they have been town.
"I've never seen scum gambit" isn't really enough for me
This isn't the kind of gambit scum does though.
Please stop overthinking this and just do what's clearly GTO. We stop talking about it and get a claim tomorrow if the slot's alive, then evaluate from there, I think we can agree on that much at least
This is something I actually feel confident I can defend T3 on
While his theory is probably not entirely correct in practice, I know T3 has said similar before, and as such unless there was a game I am not presently aware of where something happened to contradict that belief it would make sense he’s still thinking this
No yeah i dont doubt he believes this hes just wrong
So then I'm town?
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:35 am
by T3
Galron is using really weird language with what looks like
coaxing
people into agreeing with him.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:36 am
by T3
In post 894, Salsabil Faria wrote:Ok, I finished catch up (again
). Not in the mood for post by post commenting rn, so I'm giving my thoughts altogether.
Most probably
Galron
asked me why I think
Kop
's wagon formation indicates they're likely town but not for
T3
because what I said already (my reason to scumread them) + I can't remember
T3
's wagon tbh + they played with town!me in couple of games before where my play style is pretty similar (except 1/2 ig) like in this game and I'm always a miselimination slot due to my
certain paly style
which they clearly know.
The last reason goes for
Titus
also. Both of them are going for LHF slots which I don't think town!them would do. So, the scum team is now:
T3
/
Titus
/?
If
Roden
and
DGb
both are towns, then
Garlon
can be the 3rd scum. I don’t really like their vote on me.
Not sure about
Roden
atm, their softing PR is a ballsy move, especially when there’s no daytalk available for scums. So I'll let them live today but I'm agreeing with
sb9
about this matter: if they're not the nk, then they're sus.
Grandpa
vs
GE
seems TvT to me also, but definitely not SvS.
@HF
, if I wouldn’t townread you, would you still put me in the towncore?
Updated read list with no particular order:
Garlon
Roden
DGb
STD
T3
also asked me a question if I ever played with
STD
before, something like that. The answer is yes and I don’t remember that they placed RVS vote by giving joking reason.
UNVOTE: Roden
VOTE: T3
Will go afk now (2)
Your playstyle this game seems to be "not do anything"
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:50 am
by superbowl9
In post 879, HockeyFan wrote: In post 877, superbowl9 wrote: In post 872, HockeyFan wrote:
so u think Gpas mafia right?
Also,
nvm im moving my vote over here rn
VOTE: Kop
the wagon orignally started out too fast but it kinda just dissipated when kops recent posting wasnt even towny
Uhhhh no?
i have no clue why now 2 ppl have said that Gpa/Gamma are TVT, like how does someone think that lol
I didn’t say it was TvT either
i didn’t cite any read on gpa - i dont think that exchange was very AI
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:52 am
by T3
ISO time
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:53 am
by T3
In post 445, marcistar wrote: In post 350, HockeyFan wrote:Marci, can u elaborate on that vote/your thoughts in the game state in general
no.
jk!!!
i dont really have thoughts from before my vote, but i think t3 could be scum because from what i've seen... he usually gives scummier vibes as town.. like in an "this will be easy to push a miselim on" sort of way. im not really getting that here..
In post 378, Kop wrote: In post 374, superbowl9 wrote:You really think Hockey faked not knowing about no daytalk for townpoints? And no daytalk so it can't be a buddy the play him
I'm only saying that it could be easy to do that. I'm not saying that he did it here, but I've seen it before.
Scum impressions so far, is within Gamma, Grandpa, Titus, T3.
i agree with the points people have brought up on this just scumreading the people who are more active. but people piled on votes here kinda quickly so im wary about this being scum tbh.
In post 397, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: kop
Yeah I’m good with this, don’t entirely buy the townslip but those kop SRs are pretty much all the most notable slots
i like gamma emerald for this.
marci saying "no, jk" feels weird but it could be a personality thing.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:56 am
by T3
In post 491, marcistar wrote: In post 485, superbowl9 wrote:
too bad we don't have a daychat huh? Might as well discuss the NK now tho, I'm thinking we just kill whoever has the highest postcount
hmm true true, it really does suck because i would love as much time as possible to discuss our gameplan!!
killing the highest postcount is a cool idea, it helps us be able to hide behind inactivity
(cant be sused if theres nobody around to sus u!!!) but, what if we go for the
second
highest postcount so we can frame the highest for not dying?
In post 488, superbowl9 wrote: In post 476, Roden wrote:Anyone against running up Grandpa? They feel subdued and cautious, and normally would've been scum read by now.
Me, especially because you went from saying scum is passive to suggesting the one player who's actually had a confrontation
liked this thought from u btw, seems genuine.
In post 490, HockeyFan wrote:superbowl9 wrote: In post 487, HockeyFan wrote:im feeling good about the ppl who just talked lately(T3,Roden,Marci). Not hard trs on any of them but the vibe feels right.
Why? I peg at least 1 scum in the 3 of em
I mean you're probably right but T3 is town because I like his content. Roden's progression on reads/reasoning for them seems solid. Marci because of tonal/vibes. Who do u think is the scum?
dont like how ur leaving room to warp
marci's comment about the thought being genuine seems more likely to come from town but I can't put my finger on why.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:58 am
by T3
In post 496, marcistar wrote:
i should prob explain a bit more.
but in the future when u need to dissolve the trs and sus one of us, u could point here and be like "i knew all along..."
also u got kinda got reactive there hmm wonder what that means...
This more complex thought also comes from town marci I think.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:00 am
by T3
also lolwhat
Like scum would normally defend against this instead of going "oh yeah i'm not engaged i agree with you"
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:00 am
by T3
Conculusion: marci is leantown from my ISO dive thing
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:00 am
by T3
In post 918, T3 wrote:Conclusion: marci is leantown from my ISO dive thing
EBWOP
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:01 am
by T3
I can understand where all these posts from STD are coming from.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:03 am
by superbowl9
In post 881, Roden wrote:Oof, this was not a good response.
Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.
The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.
If you really think that softing OUT OF NOWHERE D1 has no consequences…. Idk what to tell you.
Cat’s out of the bag that you’re a PR at this point, sorry wasn’t me who did it it was you. Think of it this way: if you were town informed you’d just instantly spill your info to town right?
To call me openly telling you to claim TOMORROW after a soft a rolefish… i really don’t understand what your aim is if you actually are town. Do you expect to survive multiple nights without a protective???
Of course it makes sense if you’re scum trying to delay getting exposed, but what’s the town thought process here? Genuinely confused
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:04 am
by T3
On a gut level I agree where most of STD's reads are coming from which makes him have the same natural town POV as me. It's hard for scum to fake genuine emotional reactions townies also feel, sort of a mindmeld on the gut level.
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:05 am
by superbowl9
Yes I went through a T3 town lens in that post so gamma would understand me better
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 2:05 am
by T3
In post 921, superbowl9 wrote: In post 881, Roden wrote:Oof, this was not a good response.
Scum actually don't have the full info advantage here. There is a very good reason I didn't full claim and your reasoning for trying to make me full claim is weak and not coming from a townie mindset. Only scum benefit from PR claims, and you trying to force one makes you look like you're trying to open wolf this game. The role fishing here is obvious and I'm not sure how you could ever justify it.
The worst part about this is that I'm not even on the chopping block here yet you're acting like I'm at E-1 and claiming to save myself. I'm offering info because town PRs absolutely need to be wary and try not to crumb, since I'm fairly certain scum can tear through them this time around.
If you really think that softing OUT OF NOWHERE D1 has no consequences…. Idk what to tell you.
Cat’s out of the bag that you’re a PR at this point, sorry wasn’t me who did it it was you. Think of it this way: if you were town informed you’d just instantly spill your info to town right?
To call me openly telling you to claim TOMORROW after a soft a rolefish… i really don’t understand what your aim is if you actually are town. Do you expect to survive multiple nights without a protective???
Of course it makes sense if you’re scum trying to delay getting exposed, but what’s the town thought process here? Genuinely confused
It depends on Roden's role though, he could be something ridiculous that helps town if he doesn't out.