You're right though. Idk, maybe it would have been smarter to have not JKed at all last night and thinned out the number of Town I needed to convince today.
I was worried that I'd be killed last night, and wouldn't have the opportunity to talk it through today, but honestly, thinking on it, it would have been perfect if he had, as I would have been role revealed and it would have been obvious that he was lying.
All would have, could have, should have.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:50 am
by CheekyTeeky
We could do this the long drawn out way where we vote no elim today and get RH9 to cop you, leash you to stand down and if he is blocked or dies then that resolves everything. If someone else dies then I guess it's up to them who wins.
Do you want to do this the hard way?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:51 am
by MargotRosa
As for why you get Town cleared and not immediately night killed, that's really easy. For the strategy to work, RH9 needs to have a bunch of conf Towns. The ideal situation is the one he ended up with, in which only one player is not conf-towned by his investigations.
In a perfect world, conversation is shut down because it isn't necessary. Provided enough people are willing to go along with it (which he probably imagined would have just been one other person until I prevented him from killing last night) it is all over the second that one person agrees that the case is all wrapped up
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:53 am
by MargotRosa
In post 901, CheekyTeeky wrote:We could do this the long drawn out way where we vote no elim today and get RH9 to cop you, leash you to stand down and if he is blocked or dies then that resolves everything. If someone else dies then I guess it's up to them who wins.
Do you want to do this the hard way?
I am perfectly happy to do this whatever way you want, because I'm telling the truth.
I don't understand how this works from your explanation, but if it is actually a way to exonerate me, then lets do it. I want Town to win, and I have nothing to hide
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:55 am
by MargotRosa
I promise, whatever you want me to do tonight, I will do, no question, if it will demonstrate that I'm telling the truth
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:57 am
by MargotRosa
We can expedite it super quickly actually, if everyone agrees to vote to no elim, and then everyone messages the mod for a fast night, whatever you're planning would take only as long as it would take for everyone to see the latest post in the thread
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:59 am
by CheekyTeeky
Yeah it doesn't actually prove anything, I'm sorry if you're town but I find that unlikely at this stage. VOTE: Margot
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:05 am
by MargotRosa
I just don't get why you won't believe that RH9 is scum, even though their Scum play in this situation is really choppy and inconsistent, but you will believe that I am scum despite my play needing to be incredibly convoluted, to have decided to plant crumbs day 1 for a role it almost never makes sense to fake claim, and for it to be a plan that makes contigencies for if I don't get to make a post for an entire game day
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:07 am
by MargotRosa
Like, for me to be Scum, I need tro be able to play 4d chess after being on the site for two months, whereas RH9 just needs to be carrying out a fairly common strat, for their scum partner to have suggested it, as demonstrated by a drop in consistency and strength as soon as their scum partner dies
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:08 am
by MargotRosa
I'm incredibly frustrated because I did nothing wrong and we are still going to lose because everyone else decided to fast play the day before ELO
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:10 am
by MargotRosa
When I flip green, I hope everyone present remembers to never rush the day before Elo again, a move which can only benefit scum. Camel has been moved to N_M tier in the meta spreadsheet I'm compiling for anyone following along at home
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:12 am
by Prism
I could wax poetic here. I have like 5 different "Gotcha!" moments in mind to interrogate you with. Failing them would result in me getting more confident but...I don't think that answering them correctly would change anything at all.
VOTE: MargotRosa
The loss is squarely on me if this is wrong. We would have had mechanical autowin Day 3 and it was my responsibility as the most experienced at the table to go through the full motions.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:18 am
by Prism
Several factors went into that. First, the constant contradictions starting in our back and forth Day 1. Second, RH9 having several posts suggestive of him being cop (ex. In discussion with Connor). Third, those conversations with Connor not looking TvS. Fourth, RH9 never claimed PR Day 2, but you discussed your reaction to seeing it today on Day 4. This is likely because I made a mistake and thought he claimed, and voiced it at the start of Day 3. I went back and realized this didn't happen 5 minutes later but decided not to correct it for reactions. Fifth, the cat kill makes no sense for RH9 as I have been on the brink of voting him repeatedly while cat is an ardent defender.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:19 am
by Prism
EBWOP: Third, those conversations with RH9/Connor not looking SvS.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:53 am
by Prism
(RH9 did make two posts about Cheeky thinking they were a PR, though, and the second was a bit more suggestive they were right)
I forgot to list it but while rereading, this was the second I decided to hammer instead of waiting to discuss further:
In post 715, MargotRosa wrote:I understand that my gameplay has not been great this game, and if you want to kick me out, go for it. It's been a rough one, and a bit of an emotional roller coaster of a couple of weeks, but I'm back now
I'll try to give individual feedback for people when I have time after work. I think the scumteam honestly played better than the town except we managed to somehow sleepwalk into that Connor flip which virtually ended the game on the spot.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:25 am
by Morning Tweet
Hell of an effort by Margot, even if the claim was extremely unlikely
