Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Dwlee99]

I want to do the LN thing again

Anyone explain what the LN thing is?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips

[Val89]

What about that game where you refering to?

Was that the same here, also?

Norwee we need to channel all of that large normal here. Give me your poe

[Dwlee99]

What about that game where you refering to?

Was that the same here, also?

Norwee we need to channel all of that large normal here. Give me your poe

Me/norwee/koba town blocked and destroyed scum with our bare hands

and yes

[DArby]

You don't understand why scum might be chomping at the bit to start pew pew-ing and hope they hit the mark, while giving said time-limited invests as little to go on as possible?

No.
I'm honestly not thinking about scum's abilities at all.

I'm honestly not a fan of this (I didn't mean to mirror the writing style of the quoted post but it's funny so it stays)

You suck at reading me anyway.

I was townreading you until recently, you suck at reading the room!

Yeah, but i was considering when it actually matters.

So it only matters when he scum reads you?

[Jolyne]

I dont townread norwee.

[DArby]

So. I'm going to say this because last time I started it there was no traction and it was shot down hard and the next person who pushed it, I was defending and I didn't want to make that a thing because that was genuinely emotionally draining but.

I'm really fine with a Norwe lem today. I always have been and I stand by my origional points.

[Dwlee99]

I dont townread norwee.

You should

[NorwegianboyEE]

How come the lowposters always get showers of defense for doing nothing.
And scum typically do nothing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sometimes i seriously consider just playing more like N_M.

I’m gone.

Either i’ll return to explain why Toxic is objectively an better elimination. Or you guys can shade me all you want and then say it was my fault and it was totally correct to lim me yesterday even though it flipped town.

[Val89]

Or...and hear me out, here....you could dispense with the AtE and just explain why Toxic is 'objectively' a better elimination now?

[DArby]

There really needs to be a search/bookmark post feature in this forum.

How come the lowposters always get showers of defense for doing nothing.
And scum typically do nothing.

Actually, it's interesting you say this. I mentioned this in 741, but it's been a common defense in this game so far to defer to their meta being the same as the reason people are actively scum hunting them.

You're an obvious case so I won't tell you what you already know.

I was the meta defender of Val against you so also won't delve into that.

T3, for the brief wagon that it was, mentioned this in 70 (kinda) and 107.

Alice, although not a defense, mentioned it in 693.

Toxic is a weird case because there is only one defense and it's the in meta sense of "the only scum thing I've done is doing nothing" 796, and 797.

What I find interesting about it is that while doing some digging, even with Toxic, I don't think they're wrong. Of course, I don't have the meta knowledge of being there during the games I looked at, so I'm always willing to be corrected. Alice, i think, I looked at the least so my argument is more malleable with her.

The reason my PoS is on you specifically as my strongest scum read has nothing to do with post count. I don't trust how you want to rush d1 (816), I don't trust how you seem to take a personal reading of the game, I really really don't trust 885, 887, and I absolutely do not like 896.

Most importaintly, I feel you are misdirecting the town but that's a more abstract argument to make and I have to leave but I wanted to at least post this. I can't speak for anyone else but for me I'm not defending low posters for doing that but I have suspicion on you and your play this game.

[camelCasedSnivy]

Or...and hear me out, here....you could dispense with the AtE and just explain why Toxic is 'objectively' a better elimination now?

AtE?

[Val89]

Appeal to emotion.

[marcistar]

camel what do u think of my current vote

[camelCasedSnivy]

camel what do u think of my current vote

I don't really care about it.

[camelCasedSnivy]

Appeal to emotion.

Ah yes, the thing people always think I do in a Mafia game

[Gamma Emerald]

A lot of things could probably be considered AtE that don’t entirely constitute it

[Val89]

I agree, but I think posting things like "I’m gone.", which reads very much like the text equivilent of storming out and slaming the door, almost certainly qualifies.

I get the feel that Norwee has been trying to exploit pre-exisiting relationships, as have others, and I'm not going to critise or draw conclusions on that alone. The clique-building alongside the insulting and disparageing the play of the 'newbies', while he claims that is his playstyle, has clear scum utility however. Even so, while I don't think I was the audiance for that post, I had a bit of a 'woah' moment to it.

There was, however, no reason why, if its a town!Norwee and a Toxic lim is 'objectively' better, why stating those reasons in lieu of that post would not have been the better option. I think we

are

dealing with a scum!Norwee, I think a flip there is our best play for today, and while I am likley to treat anything presented with a healthy dose of skeptism, I'm not about to discount anything out of hand either. I'm not going to play against my wincon, and if Norwee can establish that a Toxic lim is objectively better, that's where I'll go.

And I am by no means the only player in this game...

[redtea]

uh oh
looks like stuff happened

[T3]

val did a town thing
dwlee did a scumthing

[Dwlee99]

val did a town thing
dwlee did a scumthing

homie

[toxictaipan]

Okay. Finally got the chance to dive deeper and do some ISO'ing and make a proper post.

I did not like Post 236 and Norwee's tagging on in 238. This feels like scum trying to control the narrative. I feel like this is going overlooked way too much. Town has no business telling other people what they are allowed to comment on. I harshly criticize the attempt at stifling conversation and opposing viewpoints. 324 rubbed me wrong too and helped spur my vote. That was all I had at the time based on treading water keeping up with the thread and gut feelings.

Since then Val has confirmed town and every bit of what Norwee wanted to be sarcastic defensiveness is now hedgy defensiveness.

431 is a clear attempt at starting another wagon once the viability of Val was smothered. In 585 now I'm suddenly a scummy slot?

I’ve pushed Val for an legitimate reason and unvoted even before he claimed PR. Meanwhile scummy slots have TMI’d him town and

forced this perspective of: "scum in one of Norwee/Val" to get town onto the wrong path

, helped along by Val’s failure to properly get scumreads and tunneling/OMGUS tendencies.

I don't remember doing this? Are you still talking about me here?

I was thinking mainly about the slots that just can't seem to focus on anything outside of me/Val such as Darby and Toxic.

LOL I HAVENT EVEN POSTED IN A WHILE BUT OK.

Toxic has done literally nothing townie, so shaddup.

Fair but I haven't done anything scummy either. Once Val was confirmed you were like, "Oh, shit. DID Y'ALL SEE TOXIC THOUGH? He clearly knew too much!" Your push on me was over absolutely nadda, weak, opportunistic, AND you waited to see if it would gain traction before moving your vote to me.

[toxictaipan]

T3: Can you explain your thoughts on my wagon a little more in depth?

[redtea]

val did a town thing
dwlee did a scumthing

like a "did something helpful for town thing?"

[marcistar]

VOTE: norwegianboyee
brrrrrrr