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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:10 am
by StrangeMatter
In post 897, MegAzumarill wrote:Or did you leave and hope that the rapidly shrinking deadline would lead to a no lim?
Oh please, it was early in the morning when I don't post nearly as much (for personal reasons, and Mafia is taxing honestly), that was my reaction to waking up and realizing that Greeting was at E-1 as an uncounterclaimed Cop claim.

Solve is you + ProHawk but right now I'm leaning towards you right now when I reread this game.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:13 am
by StrangeMatter
I'll be back in a couple of hours but right now I'm busy.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:37 am
by Cape90
Limming an uncced cop claim?

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Come tf on man I should lim Mueh too for that

removing the bold tags from the vote so that the vote counter registers it correctly ~D

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:38 am
by Cape90
In post 900, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 897, MegAzumarill wrote:Or did you leave and hope that the rapidly shrinking deadline would lead to a no lim?
Oh please, it was early in the morning when I don't post nearly as much (for personal reasons, and Mafia is taxing honestly), that was my reaction to waking up and realizing that Greeting was at E-1 as an uncounterclaimed Cop claim.

Solve is you + ProHawk but right now I'm leaning towards you right now when I reread this game.
True, sorry for voting you there. It's pretty obviously Meg

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:42 am
by Cape90
In post 889, MegAzumarill wrote:Enormous apology to Greeting though, feel free to yell at me about it post game.

I think we should eliminate Strangematter today.

I think the scumteam is cape/strange,
I had thought Cape was the cop before because they were acting at the start of d2 like they knew strangematter's alignment.
Okay? You didn't vote StrangeMatter then why? Because you are scum? Okay, sorry I apologize for calling you town. If you are town, teaching moment, it seems impossible and everyone in their right mind should insta lim you.
In post 891, MegAzumarill wrote:Their they act like they think that Strange is towny, but then later.....

In post 804, Cape90 wrote:okay Meg is town (upon evaluation today)
mueh town

gut tells me
Greeting town

leaving
prohawk
strange
marci

prohawk and marci aren't scumpaired

VOTE: StrangeMatter

leaving this by POE.

Now I will logdive and see if I stand incorrect, I don't think anybody really brought up too much in terms of meta of StrangeMatter

they act like they had had them as a scumread all along, and it feels like distancing since this was too late in the day for a strangematter elimination to be practical.
lol.
People can change their vote you literal scumlord

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:45 am
by Cape90
Also why was cop voting themselves? Literal antitown play right there

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 7:47 am
by Cape90
In post 871, MegAzumarill wrote:We lose a conftownie tonight either way

It's really a question of how likely is Greeting scum.
3 players would claim cop here, both scum and the cop.

It's a 66% chance of Greeting scum MINIMUM so it's just better most of the time
3 players would claim cop here

and only 1 did

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :roll: :roll: :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :dead: :cop: :oops: :oops:

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:19 am
by MegAzumarill
The reasons were that you interacted with strangematyer in a way that you knew their alignment.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:22 am
by MegAzumarill
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:35 am
by MegAzumarill
My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:40 am
by ProHawk
So let me rant here real quick.

This was the EXACT scenario that I was talking about when you wait until the LAST MINUTE to get an elimination on the books (at E-1) and get a claim. Had we gotten there two real life days earlier, we could have calmed TF down and made a GOOD choice to either get a counter claim OR force scum to eliminate the claimed town by NOT eliminating the CLAIMED COP. Absolutely terrible play from and Semi-Experienced players, the new players get a semi-pass but lesson learned (hopefully) for the future.

Guess what? I wasn't able to be around for the ensuing shit show that we decided to eliminate the town-cop THIS is why we don't wait until the last second.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:41 am
by Meuh
Ouch ELO :eek:

The end of the day was really weird, but honestly I don’t feel terrible about hammering Greeting considering he literally voted for himself

Meg’s probably just scum here

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:41 am
by MegAzumarill
Humor me this, if Greeting was a Vanilla townie and was flipped yesterday, and the cop got nightkillled who would be limmed today?
Would it not likely be me for pushing so hard on a townie?
If so why on EARTH would I try to 1f1 with a Vanilla townie as scum. Wouldn't I not go after Greeting as hard?

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:43 am
by Meuh
In post 909, MegAzumarill wrote:My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?
Why CC and trade 1f1 when you can get Greeting hammered and now today still have a shot at not being limmed?

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:43 am
by MegAzumarill
In post 911, Meuh wrote:Ouch ELO :eek:

The end of the day was really weird, but honestly I don’t feel terrible about hammering Greeting considering he literally voted for himself

Meg’s probably just scum here
Trust in the rabbit
I shall not disappoint
again

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:44 am
by ProHawk
In post 909, MegAzumarill wrote:My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?
CC you die next day.

Push a "He's a liar, I saw who *really* is the town cop, I know who you are so don't counter claim" and get him to be eliminated without a lie yourself and well you get to live another day and eliminate two confirmed town.

So no, your play makes perfect sense as scum because you avoid being caught in a lie with the same result.

I haven't decided who is *actual* scum here yet, still need to do some evaluating, but it's at best anti-town-play.

P-EDIT: Don't steal my thunder Meuh :lol:

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:46 am
by MegAzumarill
In post 913, Meuh wrote:
In post 909, MegAzumarill wrote:My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?
Why CC and trade 1f1 when you can get Greeting hammered and now today still have a shot at not being limmed?
It's 10x safer so you don't risk losing on the spot.
I always play safe as scum. We have 7 days read any of my scumgames

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:46 am
by Meuh
In post 915, ProHawk wrote:
In post 909, MegAzumarill wrote:My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?
CC you die next day.

Push a "He's a liar, I saw who *really* is the town cop, I know who you are so don't counter claim" and get him to be eliminated without a lie yourself and well you get to live another day and eliminate two confirmed town.

So no, your play makes perfect sense as scum because you avoid being caught in a lie with the same result.

I haven't decided who is *actual* scum here yet, still need to do some evaluating, but it's at best anti-town-play.

P-EDIT: Don't steal my thunder Meuh :lol:
Great minds think alike :lol:

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:48 am
by MegAzumarill
In post 915, ProHawk wrote:
In post 909, MegAzumarill wrote:My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?
CC you die next day.

Push a "He's a liar, I saw who *really* is the town cop, I know who you are so don't counter claim" and get him to be eliminated without a lie yourself and well you get to live another day and eliminate two confirmed town.

So no, your play makes perfect sense as scum because you avoid being caught in a lie with the same result.

I haven't decided who is *actual* scum here yet, still need to do some evaluating, but it's at best anti-town-play.

P-EDIT: Don't steal my thunder Meuh :lol:
Doesn't explain why I'd been basically setting up a 1f1 without having any way to tell Greeting is cop.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:49 am
by ProHawk
In post 918, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 915, ProHawk wrote:
In post 909, MegAzumarill wrote:My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?
CC you die next day.

Push a "He's a liar, I saw who *really* is the town cop, I know who you are so don't counter claim" and get him to be eliminated without a lie yourself and well you get to live another day and eliminate two confirmed town.

So no, your play makes perfect sense as scum because you avoid being caught in a lie with the same result.

I haven't decided who is *actual* scum here yet, still need to do some evaluating, but it's at best anti-town-play.

P-EDIT: Don't steal my thunder Meuh :lol:
Doesn't explain why I'd been basically setting up a 1f1 without having any way to tell Greeting is cop.
wut? The way you approached it you DIDN'T setup a 1f1

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:50 am
by MegAzumarill
Imagine greeting claimed and flipped VT.

We would be in a similar position today as we are now because I pushed so hard for a townie's death. (maybe not as bad)

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:51 am
by Meuh
In post 918, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 915, ProHawk wrote:
In post 909, MegAzumarill wrote:My play doesn't even makes sense as scum

If I wanted to trade 1f1 with the cop I just cc
Instead you are saying I decided to try and get someone I knew was conf!town Limmed when if I failed I'm essentially outed and my team almost always autoloses.
Does that make sense to you?
CC you die next day.

Push a "He's a liar, I saw who *really* is the town cop, I know who you are so don't counter claim" and get him to be eliminated without a lie yourself and well you get to live another day and eliminate two confirmed town.

So no, your play makes perfect sense as scum because you avoid being caught in a lie with the same result.

I haven't decided who is *actual* scum here yet, still need to do some evaluating, but it's at best anti-town-play.

P-EDIT: Don't steal my thunder Meuh :lol:
Doesn't explain why I'd been basically setting up a 1f1 without having any way to tell Greeting is cop.
Why would VT Greeting fake claim cop? :?
Also CCing would be a 1f1, so I don't understand why you're saying you would've done that as scum

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:51 am
by MegAzumarill
My play before the claim wouldn't make any sense as scum to trade for a random townie that is most likely VT.

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:53 am
by MegAzumarill
My point is if Greeting was a VT (which they could have been from Scum!mEG'S PERSPECTIVE) it would be stupid to play like I did D2

Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:55 am
by MegAzumarill
I would prefer to discuss who else we can put on the chopping block.

Can you say strangematter has done a single townie thing this game?
Have you seen cape do an ounce of towniness since d1?