Death Curse

[Noraa]

I don't think scum team ever kill her with a scroll pass if not to make sure it goes T -> T

So far in the game, she's had 3 SRs. All 3 were town. Why would scum feel even slightly threatened?

I am saying, if you are scum, when else would the pass have happened?
You are agreeing with me here. Why would scum feel threatened enough to pass to her unless you are scum?

Bruh. LLD pass happened, not because they felt threatened, but because they knew it would guarantee T -> T

[Noraa]

LLD pass was there to make sure it went LLD -> Noraa imo.

At the time I was starting to get TRed a lot. One of the very few people that might've passed to me right then, right there was LLD.

They did it to get two UTRs killed. Is that hard to understand or something?

It seems like common sense to me but you're making me think I'm going insane.

[MURDERCAT]

That is one argument. Another argument is that they feared LLD would come back and find more scum and wanted her out early.
Prove my argument wrong, don't just repeat yours

[Fidget]

- Bell would have shot shelly.
- Mush would have shot shelly.
- Lady had no comments on who she thought was scum after Hopkirk on D1. However, her last post involving another player was her saying she didn't care about Noraa's opinions or something.
- Pooky would have shot Taylor most likely, possibly Murderkitty.
- Murder was considering shelly/Pooky/LLD, interestingly enough.
- It's a tad unclear who Noraa wanted, it looks like shelly though.

That's probably all of your candidates.

[MURDERCAT]

Good post Fidget

[MURDERCAT]

It is noteworthy that LLD did push for Hopkirk at the end of D1 instead of Noraa.

[Fidget]

Spoiler: Noraa defending Fred

Btw for the case on Fred, I will just be copy pasting Murder's reasons for you. lmao no. But like I do agree the reasoning behind launching Fred are weak asf. Dude's scummy but I mean he's said like ten things at this point. A bit too hasty to judge aren't we? This is honestly exactly how my wagon blew up and having a Noraa#2 isnt gonna help jackshit.

Noraa.
Get on the wagon.

why tho? I mean Murder ..... didnt have the hottest solve yesterday but I mean so? I believe he brought up a valid point. The SRs from Fred on me are hot garbage. I agree with that. They seem opportunistic. I agree with that as well. Nothing else he has said has made him look anything but bad. I agree. He bad. He scummy. So?

From what I could tell in his other games, he's a juicy LHF and everyone jumped on him too fast. Legit I saw that wagon building up and I was like "Oh god Noraa#2 is charging in"

Very interesting that there is exactly, I repeat EXACTLY five SRs. This may be a bad way to judge but generally I find that only careful scum will have exactly the number of scum SRs.
I'm not stupid and I've been quite present in the thread. I know very well that pooky is kinda playful here. It's different tho and if you would care to meta dive, you would understand why. Plus if you read my entire paragraph and not just the first sentence, it shows u why exactly but no, Flea is just gonna come charging after me after reading one sentence of my reassessment read. Great. Lovely.
If we are killing a lurker slot first, Flea is the top candidate imo.

noraa the scumhunting god finding scum by their number of SRs! wow

noraa why do you seem to constantly make something and stir up SRs from something that isn't NAI
(I actually told her to do this in my last scumgame with scum!her, can quote from scum pt if needed)

Hey hey don't twist my words. If you would care to read the whole paragraph, I can engage you. Plus that TR you gave me a while ago sure disappeared fast eh?

Presently, as I read Noraa's answer to my first question, I find myself having a problem with the answer. Noraa claims that Tayl0r Swift used the same thing on her twice in a row, stating "Ok and do you think a scum would use the same thing on me two times in a row? yes I'm stupid but I'm not that stupid. Firstly, I would like to know if you, Noraa, think that scum would use the same thing on you two times in a row. Then, I have some follow up questions that I will present once you have answered that question.

I believe that answers the first two of your questions, but for the third, that will need to wait, because I never arrived at the destination and revealing the destination before we arrive there would make the questions completely pointless and reduce my avenues of inquiry.

ok but why tf is this question important? Plus im pretty sure u cut my post up cuz what u say here just makes me look like I dont know what im doing and im fairly certain I didnt say exactly *that* in response to whatever u asked me.

fred you're online come here

i consider this to be ellitelling btw

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all

lol
fred order these names from town->scum NOW
fidget
taylor
theta
bell
gloria

This is just how I'd expect shelly to talk to a scum partner who's under even moderate fire lol. Not totally convinced yet but this does pique my interest.

Interesting observation. Shelly actually, if I remember correctly, said something similar to UNO and maybe someone else. If this theory is correct, fidget might've literally just solved the whole game.

Also, fidget is doing a lot of solving and less pre-flip stuff. Maybe its time to make this slot a town lean.

Also, I forgot to unvote pooky. UNVOTE:

Also, one last thing, I dont think we should rush this wagon. We have far too many people coasting rn. To the point that im almost just thinking that all the coasters are the scum team. Fred literally jumped out(into the thread) and bought himself a pass to hell(by being a total scum bucket). That's pretty bad play and honestly, if he was a scum that repped in, I really strongly believe his scum buddies would literally just tell him to coast some more cuz that's literally the best way to keep everyone from suspecting you. Idk im just having bad feelings about this + it reminds me of how my own wagon built up super fast and I got really mad and idk I just am not vibing here.

Spoiler: Murderkitty defending Fred

I think there is a good shot fredrick is town and we are being snowed by strong scum players

yea lets just kill fred whatever

VOTE: Fred

VOTE: Fredrick

round 2

VOTE: Fred

but Fidget next please.

MUSH does this not worry you? I agree this wagon is town led but I think there were some weak hop ons

I don't feel comfortable voting there with Pooky tbh.

I'm not convinced he is scum, obviously if I were I'd be voting there.

You are referring to 4219?

I just don't think any of that is clearly scummy? I mean yeah he could be scum but I just don't see where the confidence comes from.

I think Fred could be scum sure, but I'm not currently convinced by it and I really want to go S>T>S today. But if no one can see LLD or Pooky as options then I guess we will flip there? If we go town Fred to town Noraa it'll really suck though.

(+ All of the pushing on LLD/Pooky which I won't bother quoting)

Spoiler: Bell defending Fred

jk

[MURDERCAT]

This is why we should have just shot Noraa first on D1.

[MURDERCAT]

For the record, I think a lot of that came with my vote on Fred anyway

[MURDERCAT]

For the record, I think a lot of that came with my vote on Fred anyway

Meh I guess not. Oh. At least I look better towards Shelly/Titus/Goofball

[MURDERCAT]

The thing is I can tell that Noraa knows I'm town because of the way she in interacting with me, but I need the rest of you to come to that conclusion yourselves.

[Fidget]

Going along the argument I had in favor of shooting Pooky, Noraa doesn't

really

have anything that she herself did that implies she isn't scum with the deceased. It's always all about what they did. And if there is, it needs to be brought to my attention.

But we all know how well that went when I used that line of thinking last time so.

Noraa

Fidget
Shellyc
Titus
Pooky
Lapsa

Actually, she did tend to be fairly accurate. She was never a force behind getting these people killed, but she did tend to be right. Does Noraa do this as scum?

[MURDERCAT]

I haven't fully read this game, but it's probably the one to read.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=84310

According to Noraa, she TR'd all her partners.

[Fidget]

f you could show why Murdercat is scum

After much thought, I still lean Bell!scum.

Okay, scratch that.

In that case, I would like you to demonstrate the lengthy thought process that led you to the conclusion of Bell!scum, if possible.

This is what I need the most at the moment. Let me inside of your mind because I do not understand where you are at, whereas I can understand Murdercat's situation very easily.

You do not seem particularly concerned with which one of those two dies, and if you are, I can't tell why you pick one over the other at a given point in time.

[Noraa]

That is one argument. Another argument is that they feared LLD would come back and find more scum and wanted her out early.
Prove my argument wrong, don't just repeat yours

Ok but I don't understand. Why would scum fear LLD. Let's say I'm scum. In that case, LLD SRed one scum and two townies.

I never argued that LLD was feared by scum so Fred passed there. You argued that but then made it seem like I argued it. Scum never kill LLD out of fear imo.

If they really wanted her out early, they would've just dayvigged.

[Noraa]

This is why we should have just shot Noraa first on D1.

yeah we should've cuz rn I'm just getting manipulating by whichever of u is scum.

[Noraa]

According to Noraa, she TR'd all her partners.

Yeah. I did TR all my partners.

[MURDERCAT]

Ok but I don't understand. Why would scum fear LLD. Let's say I'm scum. In that case, LLD SRed one scum and two townies.

I never argued that LLD was feared by scum so Fred passed there. You argued that but then made it seem like I argued it. Scum never kill LLD out of fear imo.

If they really wanted her out early, they would've just dayvigged.

If you are scum LLD hard tunneled you. She would do it again with other scum. She might also come back hard on you at some point further along in POE.

Shelly said that scum was saving the dayvig for elo numbers, if you use it early then town has one less person to sort the whole game.

[Fidget]

This is why we should have just shot Noraa first on D1.

yeah we should've cuz rn I'm just getting manipulating by whichever of u is scum.

You're being manipulated?

[MURDERCAT]

Is this where you fake gambit by forgetting that you can”t vig scroll holders

I’ll explain why then fineeeee

Scum dayvig in lylo numbers to win

[Noraa]

You do not seem particularly concerned with which one of those two dies, and if you are, I can't tell why you pick one over the other at a given point in time.

Currently, I actually think its Murder. It switched. Murder's been pushing that {Murder, Bell, Noraa} last three a lot which is concerning. Like everyone else pushed last two. Murder was the only one that pushed last three.

[Noraa]

You're being manipulated?

low-key yes.

[Noraa]

Is this where you fake gambit by forgetting that you can”t vig scroll holders

I’ll explain why then fineeeee

Scum dayvig in lylo numbers to win

That's clearly inaccurate tho otherwise scum would've already dayvigged someone today. Pooky and I tried p hard to bait a dayvig out but it didn't work.

[MURDERCAT]

Currently, I actually think its Murder. It switched. Murder's been pushing that {Murder, Bell, Noraa} last three a lot which is concerning. Like everyone else pushed last two. Murder was the only one that pushed last three.

You mean when I tried to trade myself off with Pooky during the last phase?

[MURDERCAT]

That's clearly inaccurate tho otherwise scum would've already dayvigged someone today. Pooky and I tried p hard to bait a dayvig out but it didn't work.

It refers to what happens after this pass. We are in elo only because the dayvig still exists