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[Thestatusquo]

I'm not gunna get into a back and forth here. You played a good game and you're gunna win but do you really need to call what I said bullshit even though you know I'm right?

[Ausuka]

performative but ok

[Thestatusquo]

Its so funny that you're accusing me of being the one being performative here, again, when you know that I'm actually correct and that my annoyance at having my thoughts called "bullshit" when they're right is actually real.

FFS.

[Thestatusquo]

The amusing thing also is that you've been setting up an eventual move over to me for several days in the way scum actually would which is by every so often feeding a post about how you have 'doubts' based off of one interaction that happened even though you've already ostensibly looked at those interactions tons of times and multiple times declared them to be townie for me. The scum way to move over to someone to push them wouldn't be to tell them that you feel really unsure about who the scum is and then only share those points when directly pushed to like you asked me to do yesterday.

Like ffs. The person setting up the shift onto someone you've been town reading all day here is you not me and all you have to say for yourself is "performative?"

As if townies can't be performative? As if you pretending to not see GuiltyLions posts wasn't the peak of performative? Come the fuck on.

[Ausuka]

oh yeah that would be a really great scum strategy. just pretending not to see posts. really reaping the towncred there

not to mention you say you don't want to get into a back and forth which I generally would have agreed with and then "is that all you have to say for yourself"

[Ausuka]

Whatever I think shea is trying to rile me up here

I will ignore the thread and come back when GL does

[Thestatusquo]

There is literal 0 change you missed that guiltylion posted friendo.

So while you can mock my comment again despite the fact that you know its correct, that doesnt make it any less true.

I'm not going to get into a back and forth justifying myself but you called my comment performative which was just truly hilarious so I had to comment on it.

[Thestatusquo]

In the past page you've called my statement bullshit, accused me of being performative for saying I didn't like that and then mocked me for thinking there was little chance that you had missed the one of like 4 posts or so since the start of the day that wasn't yours.

But who is trying to rile up whom here?

[GuiltyLion]

sorry, please no prod! I will start doing things tomorrow

I'm not sure I will even need much from each of you, but will raise questions if I have them

[Ausuka]

hi no prod please

i will answer gl questions when they appear obviously

[T3]

Prodding Thestatusuo.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't know why you think you need to prod me. There's literally nothing for me to say right now.

[Ausuka]

the weather here recently has been pretty great honestly. Cool but not cold. I wish it would just stay like this

[GuiltyLion]

I have been slowly rereading the game btw

it's been a long time since I've held the hammer in ELO I am not sure I remember what best to do, I tend to really not try to put stock into whatever's said today because competent scum are usually fine with a 1v1 at this point and often good at saying what you want to hear

if I'm struck with inspiration I'll post but right now I am just reading and thinking and trying to be as open minded as possible

[GuiltyLion]

"really not try" should be more "really try not"

[GuiltyLion]

ok so I got through 75 pages and need to stop for now, I will continue this tomorrow

so as not to leave you two in total silence as I make my decision, here's the high level things I am currently thinking about, in case you want to add thoughts

- I still think Ausuka/VPB look very unpartnered. VPB wasn't expecting to die N1 so I don't think he is likely to be hardcore distancing/bussing with anybody he doesn't need to early game, and same goes to a hypothetical scum!Ausuka. Yet VPB picks a fight with Ausuka early over Ausuka's Nero townread, and then just keeps pushing it and pushing it. And continuously poking Ausuka throughout D1 even after the thread moves on. It stands out pretty differently from how VPB interacts with like, HEM or Gamma, where conversations are pretty minimal and even when there is fighting there's not a lot of sustained back and forth. I find it much easier to imagine Ausuka being a slot VPB was using to pretend to sort rather than a theater buddy that happened to be far more effective distancing than he achieved with his other buddies.

- Gamma's reactions around Irrelephant wagon and pressure are weird. Scamper has the whole case on Relly in 1294 which Gamma mostly ignores. She makes a minor call out in 1431 but then votes Eiralox instead, despite not having anything to say about Eira and Irrel/Eiralox wagons being tied. Later, Irrelephant votes Gamma (1508), which Gamma ignores until 1810. It's odd to me that Gamma then goes with the "what is the case on Irrel?" approach when if Irrel is both a) town and b)

voting Gamma

, I feel Gamma would be more likely to discredit/suspect Irrel as a viable miselim or scumread. Scamper calls Gamma's attention to his case on irrel in 1812/1817, which Gamma largely ignores other than a very tepid 1824 - which is a reaction to Irrelephant's reaction to the case, still not a direct engagement with scamper's case itself at all. Gamma goes on to then ignore Irrel discourse again for the foreseeable future.

- I haven't gotten to this in my reread yet, but I still think fundamentally that post where TSQ forgot that CSF was a un-CC'd vig is altogether more likely to come from scum than town genuinely trying to sort the game. That point is gonna weigh pretty heavy on me I think.

[Thestatusquo]

I mean, you're wrong, so I hope you learn from it at least after the game is over.

[Ausuka]

Young man, there's no need to feel down
I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
There's no need to be unhappy
Young man, there's a place you can go
I said, young man, when you're short on your dough
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal
You can do what ever you feel
Young man, are you listening to me?
I said, young man, what do you want to be?
I said, young man, you can make real your dreams
But you got to know this one thing
No man does it all by himself
I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf
And just go there, to the Y.M.C.A.
I'm sure they can help you today
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal
You can do what ever you feel
Young man, I was once in your shoes
I said, I was down and out with the blues
I felt no man cared if I were alive
I felt the whole world was so tight
That's when someone came up to me
And said, young man, take a walk up the street
There's a place there called the Y.M.C.A.
They can start you back on your way
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
Y.M.C.A., it's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
Young man, young man, there's no need to feel down
Young man, young man, pick yourself off the ground
Y.M.C.A., it's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
Young man, young man, are you listening to me
Young man, young man, what do you wanna be?
Y.M.C.A., you'll find it at the Y.M.C.A.
No man, young man, does it all by himself
Young man, young man, put your pride on the shelf
Y.M.C.A., and just go to the Y.M.C.A.
Young man, young man I was once in your shoes
Young man, young man I was down with the blues, Y.M.C.A.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm still rereading, on page 120 now

do both of y'all really have like, nothing to say?

I'll try to wrap my reread up today or tomorrow and vote, while still highlighting if anything remarkably new/different stands out to me. Scamper on D2 is currently doing a lot towards pushing me further towards a TSQ vote.

[Ausuka]

i thought you didn't need much from us and didn't put much stock into whatever was said today?

I mean I am definitely okay with making a case on tsq if you think that would be helpful but I was not under the impression that was what you wanted

I obviously think you are on the right track currently with what you were saying

[Thestatusquo]

I've said my piece and I don't see any way I can convince you I'm town if my play so far hasn't already done so.

Which is kind of weak but it's what I've got.

[Thestatusquo]

I think ausuka played really well so I'm not sad losing to them, though I'm a little annoyed at losing to the rest of this scum team.

[Thestatusquo]

I think you need to drill down and ask yourself who has actually been concerned with finding scum this game, especially after day like 2 or 3, because I don't think ausuka has been at all.

[Thestatusquo]

That's the only way you're going to come to the right read here.

You're focusing on your re-read of the game and there's lots of associative stuff you're looking at and I've never been personally great at associative stuff so I am doubtful I can make compelling arguments about ausuka being associated with people more than me if you haven't already seen them, but I think you should go back to fundamentals and really look at my play and ausuka's play through the lens of "which one of us is trying to discern alignment and find scum."

And if you do that and determine its ausuka even though I think it's clear she hasn't been, I guess I'm at peace with that.

[Ausuka]

yeah idk I find it hard to case tsq honestly because like. I have been wrong on him throughout the game. and i do think looking at what, like, scamper wrote is a much better use of your time than anything i can write

i think if you actually look at my play through the lens of "are they trying to find scum" you will come to the conclusion that I have been so shrug

I do think tsq's recent play around me and the artificial certainty he had at start of day here and the narrative I haven't been trying to find scum is pretty plainly a scum pivot

and i would definitely encourage you to not disregard stuff like irrelephant and the associatives. because like no why would you do that