Square Enix III: (Game over)

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Theres really not much discussion going on...

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Vote Count:

bill1148: 2

(Midnight's Sorrow, vezokpiraka)

Midnight's Sorrow: 1

(xRECKONERx)

vezokpiraka: 1

(bill1148)

Not Voting:

bv310
Glork
KDub
ZazieR

Lynch:

5 votes.

Deadline:

August 24th - 5:00 AM EST

[Glork]

There is

NO

doubt that Vezo is scum. He WILL be lynched today. But we're not going to fall into the same trap as we did yesterday.

I want posts from Zazie and BV. I want each of them to name the last two scums for us, and I want each of them to give us FULL details on WHY those to players are the last two scums.

Apparently these sentences weren't loud enough for you.

D2 was ended prematurely because of inHim's ability.
D3 was ended prematurely because retards were too wagony and accidentally hammered someone.
D4 was ended prematurely because VezoScum decided to hammer Quadz even though two people HADN'T FUCKING POSTED.

And now on D5, you're trying to ask me why I'm not voting, when those SAME TWO PEOPLE aren't here, one of them is already slated for replacement, and the other is almost certainly going to be replaced as well?

[Glork]

You know, you could save face by just going "Fine. You're right. We shouldn't be wagoning people because Vezo could self-hammer and we would lose a second day of getting info out of Zazie and BV."

But while you sit under that dunce cap being stubborn, I'm going to continue to bask in being correct.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

No.

Your assuming I can't hear and understand your bellowing

Which to be frank, is louder then the trains at home at night

I do believe I've already stated that I can't seem to wrap my mind around vezos ability being scum.

Neither have I never said we should end the day quickly.

[Glork]

I do believe I've already stated that I can't seem to wrap my mind around vezos ability being scum.

...but you've yet to explain how you can wrap your head around this:

BECAUSE READ THE FUCKING QUICKTOPIC. HE STILL HAS NOT EXPLAINED WHY HE DIDN'T SEND IN THE BLOCK AT THE SAME TIME HE POSTED IN THE QT AFTER WE TOLD HIM TO SEND IT IN. YOU DON'T JUST "FORGET" SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE ACTIVELY TALKING ABOUT "HOPING IT WORKS."

In fact, you completely DODGED the question by trying to ask why I wasn't voting, for which I have given a more-than-satisfactory response.

So, wrap your head around it. Better yet, wrap MY head around it if you're so certain that Vezo is protown.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I do believe my friend, that that is because that wasn't a question.

I can't really answer that for him now can I?

[Glork]

And while you're working on that, I am going to explain exactly how Vezo could be a Scum Mass Roleblocker. (NOTE: I am assuming that his ability is one-shot, because I believe that multi-use would be hideously overpowered.)

Let's suppose that the Massblock blocks everything except for his own faction. Reaosnable, right? It's powerful (hence one-shot), and it allows his group to make a kill. It is also balanced somewhat in that there is one protown role (Juggernaut) which can bypass it anyway.
Now, the scums didn't know that there was a Juggernaut in the game. So from their perspective, they are blocking everything except their own kill (and possibly any other night actions).

So why didn't the scums kill anyone? Simple.

Nobody would believe Vezo was protown if he claimed to massblock and the same factional kill went through as N1.

That would SCREAM "This is a scum massblock of all other factions."
I think that the scums CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE NOT TO KILL N2 TO MAKE VEZO'S (protown) CLAIM MORE BELIEVABLE. And up until Vezo failed to send in a second block last night, DESPITE TELLING US THAT HE HOPED IT WOULD GO IN, then claiming to have FORGOTTEN to do so when he POSTED IN THE QUICKTOPIC THAT HE HOPED IT WORKED, the scums' "confirm Vezo" plan was working like a charm.



No. I am asking you: "Do you find it believable that Vezo would post "I hope I can use the mass roleblock" and then "forget" to send in the kill at the same time he was actively posting at night?"

[Midnight's Sorrow]

No. I was a statement, not a question directed at me. It was missing the very important sign >? Therefore, when you said I was "dodging" the question, how could I have been? When the 'question' in question, was in fact, not a question?

NOW its a question though

Not really, but then again, I have had PRs before that I had forgotten to send in, like doctor protects and vig shots, thinking that I have. It honestly a null tell with me.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Oh and btw, I think I had already beat you to that conclusion of the "scum not sending in thier kill" already...I think..

anyways thanks for repeating it~ It sounds SO much better when you say it Glorky

[Glork]

Not really, but then again, I have had PRs before that I had forgotten to send in, like doctor protects and vig shots, thinking that I have. It honestly a null tell with me.

No, those are different contexts. You were not ACTIVELY READING AND TALKING ABOUT USING YOUR ABILITIES when you frogot it.


If you were a massblocker and had asked about your ability, and read four responses of "Yes, use it tonight" and posted "I hope I can use it," would

YOU

sent it in at that moment?
Do you think I would send it in at that moment? (PROTIP: The answer is "Yes, absolutely.")
Do you think Reck would sent it in at that mometn? (PROTIP: The answer is "Yes, absolutely.")
Do you think Bill, or the deceased Prana, or KDub would send it in at that moment? (PROTIP: "The answer is "Yes, absolutely.")

So now the question is: Why are you calling it a NULL TELL given the surrounding CONTEXT of Vezo's claim?
The issue is not whether Vezo could forget on any OTHER night. It is whether Vezo would forget TWO SECONDS AFTER POSTING "I HOPE I CAN USE IT."

[Glork]

EBWOP: Seriously, Midnight. I'm giving you like a billion chances to just shut up and bus your scumbuddy already, but every time you say "Nah, he's not lying about having fogotten" I really do find it more and more likely that you are his scumbuddy.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

If he's SUCH caught scum, why arn''t we actually trying to find THE OTHER ONES?

Btw, I can't really bus, if I've never had partners in the first place Glorky

[Glork]

If he's SUCH caught scum, why arn''t we actually trying to find THE OTHER ONES?

Btw, I can't really bus, if I've never had partners in the first place Glorky

I am trying to find the others. Why do you think I'm waiting ot hear from Zazie/BV/Replacements? I can't magically grill them for information when they're not here.

[Glork]

Also, you still didn't answer my question.


Do you think he's lying about having "Forgotten" to send in the block two seconds after posting "I hope I can use the block"?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

heres were I find a problem in your case Glork.

Your assuming with what YOU WOULD DO in that situation, and NOT VEZO.

Of course you would have probably have sent it in BEFORE you even talked in the QT

I would have sent it in the moment DP ended.

[Glork]

heres were I find a problem in your case Glork.

Your assuming with what YOU WOULD DO in that situation, and NOT VEZO.

Of course you would have probably have sent it in BEFORE you even talked in the QT

I would have sent it in the moment DP ended.

No. I'm assuming with what

ANY REASONABLE HUMAN BEING WOULD DO

.



You're

STILL

not answering my question.

Do you think Vezo is lying about having "forgotten" to send in the block two seconds after posting "I hope I can use the block"?
I'm going to keep asking this until you say "Yes" or "No."
If you think he's lying, then obviously he's scum.
If you think he's not lying, then you're basically saying "He is a complete fucking moron with zero common sense whatsoever."

It's your call, really. But I do expect an answer. This is NOT a rhetorical question.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Well I wouldn't say he's a 'complete fucking moron" but made lacking in the common sense department.

Seriously though, this is too much of a behavioral tell tbqh with you.

[Glork]

Well I wouldn't say he's a 'complete fucking moron" but made lacking in the common sense department.

Seriously though, this is too much of a behavioral tell tbqh with you.

Soooo..... he's NOT lying about having forgotten to send the block two seconds after posting "I hope I can use this."

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Glork? Are you suffering from Confirmation Bias?

[Glork]

Meh.

You're getting lynched tomorrow.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

[Glork]

'a not my fault you committed such heinous scumtells.

Protown players have no reason to dodge a simple question for the better part of two pages. You're very obviously scum.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

How many times must I say that:

BECAUSE READ THE FUCKING QUICKTOPIC. HE STILL HAS NOT EXPLAINED WHY HE DIDN'T SEND IN THE BLOCK AT THE SAME TIME HE POSTED IN THE QT AFTER WE TOLD HIM TO SEND IT IN. YOU DON'T JUST "FORGET" SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE ACTIVELY TALKING ABOUT "HOPING IT WORKS."

wasnt a question directed at me. Which is what you yourself refreed to when you said I was 'dodging' the question?

[Glork]

So yeah, our last three scums:

Zazie is scum with Quadz/JP
Midnight and Vezo are scum with inHim.



I'd still like to hear from Zazie's replacement and BV's replacement, but I'm pretty content now. I'll probably do a cursory read over the game to make sure there aren't any glaring deficiencies in this theory, but otherwise... GG, all.

[Glork]

How many times must I say that:

BECAUSE READ THE FUCKING QUICKTOPIC. HE STILL HAS NOT EXPLAINED WHY HE DIDN'T SEND IN THE BLOCK AT THE SAME TIME HE POSTED IN THE QT AFTER WE TOLD HIM TO SEND IT IN. YOU DON'T JUST "FORGET" SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE ACTIVELY TALKING ABOUT "HOPING IT WORKS."

wasnt a question directed at me. Which is what you yourself refreed to when you said I was 'dodging' the question?

Semantics. I made my point EXTREMELY clear, and instead of responding to my point, you got accusatory and said "OH YEAH, WELL WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR HIM?"
Then, when I explained the very obvious and in-game reason why I'm not voting for him, you rolled your eyes and huffed around and said "WELL THERE'S NOT MUCH DISCUSSION" instead of responding to the point.
Then when I re-iterated the point, you went 'BUT IT WASN'T A QUESTION."
Then, when I rephrased it as a question, you continued to dodge it.