Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[DrippingGoofball]

SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING TODAY.

We would have been better off talking for 20 pages and then silently voting.

vote ghostlin

Untrackable via plan, and Furc/Fourseen don't seem to be dying today...

This was bad.

[Ghostlin]

vote Furc

Forgive me, for being picky, while trying to stay afloat
But I really really would like to know the reasoning behind your Furc vote.

[Junpei]

DGB, he basically claimed VT. How can we not lynch that? If you'll vote Fourseen that'd be fantastic, yet you along with most of town won't. Before Drunken Pipers' vote, it really seemed like everyone was just shifting into the ghostlin wagon, but even now I still feel that way.

Also ghostlin if you had taken out "furc' in the second line it would have flowed. Also if you made reasoning = reason.

[PeregrineV]

SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CLAIMING TODAY.

We would have been better off talking for 20 pages and then silently voting.

vote ghostlin

Untrackable via plan, and Furc/Fourseen don't seem to be dying today...

Is that the sum reason of voting Ghostlin?

[Junpei]

In hindsight, it was a pretty poor vote, but I am sticking with it because the core of my reason is true: we have too many people claiming today. It is getting out of hand, we need to lynch and go action/cycle and get the plan in motion. Also, I do give credit to the Ghostlin case that MoI posted.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, he basically claimed VT.

No. We don't auto-lynch the role-less. He's town, we're not lynching him.

vote Fourseen that'd be fantastic, yet you along with most of town won't.

I'm not convinced of Fourseen's scumminess.

[DrippingGoofball]

...we have too many people claiming today.

Then you should want to vote Furcolow, who stupidly claimed third party without any pressure whatsoever.

[Ghostlin]

You all do know how easy enough it is to type the words 'I agree with MoI's case on him,' right?

Particularly Junpei's contribution to this: 'too many people are claiming, so I'll end this here with a Ghostlin vote. Oh, and what he said.'

[Magister Ludi]

Unvote

[SlySly]

DGB, votes are louder than words.

UNVOTE: whispersilk

Peregrine too.

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@Furclow

- you've twice ignored my request for you to elaborate on the topic the following is addressing.

Furclow has twice claimed he has meta on DGB's slot.
He asked the vig to kill DGB.
DGB wants Furclow dead.

I would like this supposed DGBslot meta brought out for discussion before the night falls and Furclow gets NK'd by a DGBscum team.

VOTE: Furclow in anticipation of a third ignore.

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@MOD

Can we get a vote count? thx!

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 1x27 ::

Ghostlin (7) -

MagnaofIllusion, projectmatt, Furcolow, implosion, FourseenCircumstance, wazzatron, Junpei

Furcolow (5) -

Ghostlin, Toogeloo, DrippingGoofball, Drunken Piper, SlySly

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

EtherealCookie, chkflip

RedCoyote (1) -

Kdub

Not Voting (9) -

RedCoyote, springlullaby, warriormode, whispersilk, Sinestro, PeregrineV, Stringer Bell, Bunnylover, Magister Ludi

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2011-11-11 14:12:31).

[MagnaofIllusion]

No. We don't auto-lynch the role-less. He's town, we're not lynching him.

Yup, let's not lynch the person who has a case showing scummy behavior.

Let's instead lynch on DGB's wild claims.

No, we aren't lynching Furc just because scum says so.

This last second push smells of a desperate attempt to save a Partner.

Ghostlin scum means DGB scum. Mark it down.

[Ghostlin]

No. We don't auto-lynch the role-less. He's town, we're not lynching him.

Yup, let's not lynch the person who has a case showing scummy behavior.

Let's instead lynch on DGB's wild claims.

No, we aren't lynching Furc just because scum says so.

This last second push smells of a desperate attempt to save a Partner.

Ghostlin scum means DGB scum. Mark it down.

And if I flip Town? I know, it's a stretch to you, how hard you're tunnelling, but I'd like you to answer the question. Does it indicate DGB's alignment any if I flip Town?

[Junpei]

Ghostlin, when there is indeed a case against you, anyone voting you certainly agrees with it. To say that it is suspicious to agree with a case, to see logic in a post, is hilarious.

DGB, we lynch scum, I think Ghostlin is scummy, I think Fourseen is more scummy, Furcolow is also up there somewhere, but I'm thinking that there is another reason for his claim. Scum wouldn't have to worry about that claim so much because if they pass it to town, then they are linked in the ability. It is still scummy because I'm not sure Furcolow is smart enough to think into this setup much at all, but I want to keep that ability in the game if it exists, for now.

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin, when there is indeed a case against you, anyone voting you certainly agrees with it. To say that it is suspicious to agree with a case, to see logic in a post, is hilarious.

DGB, we lynch scum, I think Ghostlin is scummy, I think Fourseen is more scummy, Furcolow is also up there somewhere, but I'm thinking that there is another reason for his claim. Scum wouldn't have to worry about that claim so much because if they pass it to town, then they are linked in the ability. It is still scummy because I'm not sure Furcolow is smart enough to think into this setup much at all, but I want to keep that ability in the game if it exists, for now.

Acutally, going 'lawl, I agree with X's case' without bothering to contribute any new analysis is somewhat lazy and possibly scummy.

[RedCoyote]

FC, why did you switch from Fur to Ghostlin? If you think Fur's power is important for the town, why the change of heart?

[Junpei]

What if there is nothing more to contribute?

Allow me to explain to you why your logic is flawed.

There may only be a finite list of reasons to vote someone.
There may be a finite count of votes.

The two numbers do not correspond to each other always. Once the first grows to a point, it no longer must grow for the latter to grow. As such, if the subject is very covered, then it is not logical to require more explanation to accompany a vote. To ask me to dig into your ISO for one more reason, which does not need to be stated before I vote you is ridiculous.

No, I have a reason behind my vote, and if you want me to regurgitate the previous points made I against I won't, but that is mostly what I can do in regards to why you are scummy. Although, this post is pointing out your flawed logic, so does this count?

[RedCoyote]

also let me sit still,
while someone explains to me the reason behind that vig kill?

(blech)

There's only one person to ask, friend.

[wazzatron]

Kdub's shot seen as this has been at me for a bit is scummy because he goes out of his way to say town can decide, and then when he claims the vote count change dramatically here is the vote count before he claimed, via this he should have shot Stringer

:: VoteCount 1x19 ::

Stringer Bell (8) -

MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, Drunken Piper, EtherealCookie, FourseenCircumstance, projectmatt, Bunnylover, RedCoyote

nopointinactingup (5) -

DrippingGoofball, Magister Ludi, Toogeloo, implosion, Furcolow

as soon as he claims day vig he say's town can vote.

I claim day vigilante

My plan was to let the day progress as normal and just use it when someone was about to be lynched, but since that hasn't happened and we are coming up on the deadline, I figured I should claim now so we can figure out effectively two lynches in the next 3-6 days. I had hinted at wanting to take out diddin earlier, but I know that would be selfish and it's better for us overall

if we get input from everyone to figure out how best to use it

. What I did not want to happen was to get down to the deadline, have someone claim some PR that would make us reconsider, and then I'd be forced to either kill them anyway or risk a quickhammer happening before I could use it.

So it looks like SB is the top choice for now. I'll hold off on the shot for a couple days so we can discuss if this is the way we want to go, but we should make a decision and get a claim within the next day or two.

1. SB is the top shot at this point, note this.
2. He wants input from everyone

next vote count comes along.

:: VoteCount 1x21 ::

Stringer Bell (6) -

MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, EtherealCookie, FourseenCircumstance, Bunnylover, RedCoyote

nopointinactingup (5) -

DrippingGoofball, Magister Ludi, Toogeloo, implosion, Furcolow

A few people jump off the formed stringer wagon.

now read this one.

:: VoteCount 1x22 ::

Stringer Bell (7) -

MagnaofIllusion, PeregrineV, EtherealCookie, FourseenCircumstance, Bunnylover, RedCoyote, Furcolow

nopointinactingup (4) -

DrippingGoofball, Magister Ludi, Toogeloo, implosion

now stringer has another vote and no point has dropped off by 1 vote.

:: VoteCount 1x23 ::

Stringer Bell (5) -

EtherealCookie, FourseenCircumstance, Bunnylover, RedCoyote, Furcolow

Junpei (3) -

SlySly, springlullaby, Ghostlin

FourseenCircumstance (3) -

Junpei, Sinestro, chkflip

Furcolow (3) -

Stringer Bell, Drunken Piper, DrippingGoofball

nopointinactingup (2) -

Toogeloo, implosion

note that now another 2 votes are off nopoint and stringer has dropped by 2 but also note the amount of wagons in-between Stringer (the top wagon) and Nopoint, there are three wagons that have more than two votes that kdub could have used his shot on.

:: VoteCount 1x24 ::

Furcolow (5) -

Stringer Bell, Drunken Piper, DrippingGoofball, Ghostlin, FourseenCircumstance

Stringer Bell (4) -

EtherealCookie, Bunnylover, RedCoyote, Furcolow

Junpei (3) -

SlySly, springlullaby, Sinestro

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

Junpei, chkflip

nopointinactingup (2) -

Toogeloo, implosion

Last one before the shot furclow has become the most popular now and Stringer, junpei, Foreseen are also more votes on then nopoint.

yet remember he wanted everyones input the input here would show that going from 5 votes down to 2 that's 60% of his wagon going elsewhere that public opinion say's don't shoot him.

the shot quote is.

I suppose there's not much more that's going to be said. I had already made this decision a few hours ago, and there weren't significant objections outside of Ludi.

Kill: nopointinactingup

I'm comfortable with this decision.

there weren't significant objections outside Ludi

1. three people showed there objections by jumping off the wagon
2. this was not going by public opinion

The shot happens and this is kdub after the shot.

i'm sorry but kdub that was a terrible shot did you not see the vote count just before hand that was your decision and not anyone else.

While it's true that the ultimate decision was mine, the vote count immediately prior to my shot is not relevant.

What is relevant is both the vote count and general sentiment before I claimed

. Do you see why? Once the day vig was revealed, scum could try to manipulate the general sentiment and vote count away from themselves, which is a good thing from an information standpoint, but makes future vote counts irrelevant to who is the optimal target.

By the way, I note that when I asked people for their opinions on the top wagons,

you said that nopoint was your highest suspect and you would probably vote him

. So why do you think my shot was "terrible"? It obviously wasn't because you thought nopoint was town, and I just pointed out the flaw in your vote count argument. It sounds very much like you are trying to distance yourself and throw dirt on me after the fact.

now the bolded part contradicts all that has happened within this time and if this was true he would have shot stringer
The italics part, Kdub though he was my highest suspect others disagreed with you and the vote counts at all times show that the town didn't want the nopoint shot except for you and 2 others.

[warriormode]

Hey Im back. Looks like ive got about 9 pages to catch up on. Shouldn't take too long.

[Junpei]

also let me sit still,
while someone explains to me the reason behind that vig kill?

(blech)

There's only one person to ask, friend.

What was the purpose of this post? Please stop fluffing, and post more content. What is your opinion of the daykill?

[Bunnylover]

Finally getting a day off tomorrow, will read the pages I missed (about 6 I believe).

[DrippingGoofball]

...Furcolow is also up there somewhere, but I'm thinking that there is another reason for his claim. Scum wouldn't have to worry about that claim so much because if they pass it to town, then they are linked in the ability. It is still scummy because I'm not sure Furcolow is smart enough to think into this setup much at all, but I want to keep that ability in the game if it exists, for now.

I was third party in the original version of CE.

I can smell third party all over Furcolow's claim.

[Kdub]

My vote's not doing anything right now, but RC is still suspicious. I highly suggest we take a look at him tomorrow.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: FC

If this isn't getting any traction by the deadline, I'll switch to prevent no lynch.

After reading some of Ludi's posts again, I'm fairly OK with him. His posts are coming across as genuine, even if his nopoint flip-flop seemed suspect at face value.

I'm going to think on Ghostlin's claim a bit more. My first instinct was that it's a town tell to claim vanilla under pressure close to the deadline. His Furc vote sucks though, and I don't feel like he handled Magna's case on him very well.

@wazzatron:
Apparently you didn't notice that we decided not to lynch/kill SB because of his claim. That blows your whole "he would have shot SB" idea.

Your "three people left the nopoint wagon" thing misses the point completely. What were people's feelings on nopoint at the time? DGB gave no reason for moving her vote and still had nopoint on her "scum" list at the time. Furc gave no reason for moving his vote, but did say that he thought nopoint was scum right before he did. Ludi was the only person who unvoted AND changed his read. None of this mentions the people (yourself included) who were NOT voting nopoint but indicated that they either were suspicious of him or at least were OK with his death. If you're going to do an honest assessment, you have to take those into account as well. With SB not a target, the only player you could argue that I could have shot instead is Junpei. I believe the anti-nopoint sentiment was stronger than the anti-Junpei sentiment at the time, and we had already gotten a claim from nopoint. If you want to dispute this, let's go back and find the quotes from people who suspected them and we can compare. I do not think that comparison will find your view of things to be accurate.

I'm fine with taking most, if not all of the responsibility for the kill because ultimately, I could have chosen to shoot anyone I wanted and I chose nopoint. The shot WAS informed by the plurality (not sure if I'd be accurate in calling it a majority) sentiment at the time though. He flipped town, but I have very few regrets outside of that. He claimed an anti-town power, he was suspected by a fair number of people, and very few people volunteered a pro-town endorsement of him even after he emerged as a candidate. If I did not have the day kill, he very likely would have been today's lynch after SB's hider claim (anyone dispute this?), which is exactly the situation that I had wanted to use the kill for.

[Junpei]

Mod wrote:Welcome, MS1775305, [Callsign Playername.]. You've realized what they are doing. The rest of the test group doesn't understand, but you are more insightful than all of them. It makes sense, you are The Asxtori. They don't deserve to make it out of here alive, they fell for the lies too easily, they're just a detriment to society. Its up to you to purge this group, then expose this "experiment" for its true darkness. They made the wrong choice letting you in on this one.

Ability Cycling: You are not necessarily a part of the ability cycle. You will receive an Ability Message at the start of each Day Phase, and will be able to select who to pass the abilities to, but you will not be able to use any of the abilities within your designated Ability Message.

Factional Ability: You have the ability to terminate one person from the simulation each Night. Failure to submit the kill by the end of the Night will be considered a No Kill. Your removal method is: purged.

Ability Hoarder: Any abilities that you remove from the game through either killing a player with your factional ability or by being the hammer on their lynch become a permanent part of your ability list. You may use one of the abilities available to you each Night, in conjunction with your factional kill.

Secrecy Pays: You will survive the first attempt made on your life during a Night Phase.

The Asxtori Win Condition: You win if only you are alive (or if nothing can prevent the same).
[Standard Serial Killer Win Condition.]

Game Topic is here: Cyclic Experimentation Set x01.

Reply by PM to confirm you understand your role and win condition.



Besides its factional kill, the Serial Killer had a special ability known as Ability Hoarder. Upon hammering or killing a player with the factional kill, they would receive any ability the dying player had, and could select one of the available collected abilities to use in conjunction with their kill. This was why DGB was extremely hammerhappy this game. Now, DrippingGoofball discovered an interaction I had not considered, and very nearly won her the game. After purging q21, she received the Treestump as an option. Had she been left alive till Night 5, she could have then selected the Treestump as a secondary ability, making her effectively unlynchable and unkillable, and with only one Daevori alive, she would have at that point won the game. So lynching DGB the day you did was the best (and truthfully the only option) you had that day. If you review Day 5 with this situation in mind you can see that DGB's desire to live only one more day became quite apparent, and something that I reflected in the lynch flavor of that day.

Please explain the correlation between Furcolow's claim and yours, I'm not sure I see it.

pedit:I'm thinking that we have a "no one give any abilities of any worth to furcolow or FC" and then we kill them tomorrow. Yes I know lining up lynches is bad, but this is what I think is a good idea.