Newbie 1391 - Game Over - FINALLY!!!

[champinoman]

VOTE: Nacho

Congrats on the win Stubbs. Hopefully it's a shared victory!

[StubbsKVM]

I think I deserve an award if Nacho flips town.

I won't ruin the surprise until the mod ends the game.

*drumroll*

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Vote Count 7.1

Nachomamma8 - 2 (StubbsKVM, champinoman)
StubbsKVM - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 0 ()

2 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-21 07:00:00)

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[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Thank God, this game is finally over.

Nachomamma8,

Mafia Goon

, lynched Day 7

StubbsKVM and champinoman

win the game for the

Town

team!!

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Role Reveal:

Player	Replaced	Role
Antagon ^		Mafia Goon
champinoman		Jailkeeper
Feel It		Townie
chkflip ^	Fegelein ^	Townie
Mr. Flay ^	Gen_Wolf ^	Townie
Generic		Townie
StubbsKVM	James May	Townie
Karnage	Miss Stranger	Townie
Nachomamma8 *		Mafia Goon

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Night Actions:

Night 1:

champinoman jails Nachomamma8
Mafia fails to submit a kill

Night 2:

champinoman jails Nachomamma8
Mafia fails to submit a kill

Night 3:

champinoman jails Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 kills champinoman

Night 4:

champinoman jails Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 kills champinoman

Night 5:

champinoman jails Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 kills champinoman

Night 6:

champinoman jails Nachomamma8
Mafia fails to submit a kill

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Everyone should use this time to post thoughts and observations about the game. Ask questions and try to figure out what went wrong (and right) with your play and how you can learn from it and improve. Be polite in pointing out mistakes made by others! Conversely, if someone points something out, learn from it – don’t get offended!!

My Observations

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This game went on FAR TOO LONG. After two nights of no kills, the jailkeeper claims and you lynch their target, especially if it's the same person two days in a row. There was absolutely no reason to drag Nacho through 6 - 8 weeks of having to play a game he couldn't possibly win. Frankly, the mass claim should have sealed it. Once the mass claim occurred, there was ZERO chance the last Mafia was not one of {champ, nacho}. If it was someone other than {champ, nacho}, then you blacklist whichever of {champ, nacho} lied about his power role, because Townies DO NOT LIE about their power roles (there are exceptions, but they don't happen in Newbie games due to setup).

Nacho, Thanks for sticking through that. I actually started rooting for you to pull it off starting with Day 4.

Mafia QuickTopic

[champinoman]

7 days of fun

[Bert]

I watched this game in real time after Day 3 because Nacho was here

Wow, watching those branches of plans/models and stuff was so painful

If I were in the game, Id have wanted to scrap the plans/models and just lynch Nacho

2 months is too much

Lol Nacho dang you never give up they put you through hell

U did great!! <3

Whoever was saying (Stubbs?) that Nacho-town should be able to figure out who is scum with so many chances to get it right, and then Nacho kept lynching town

[Mr. Flay]

If I were in the game, Id have wanted to scrap the plans/models and just lynch Nacho

If you'll notice, we tried that several times. EVERY TIME it garnered accusations of being scum.

I maintain that the sportsmanlike thing for Nacho to do would have been to concede post-massclaim. Yes there was some minor chance champino would flake or miss his choice, but instead we got MONTHS of pointless discussion, apathy, and non-Mafia-related arguing. And while it was good WIFOM to make me think he was Town trying to salvage the game, it was never enough WIFOM to make me not lynch him in the end. Several people said that, enough to have majority every single Day. So why not concede?

Also your slow play and JOINING OTHER GAMES WHILE IGNORING THIS ONE made me furious.

Also also, what was up with the first two missed kills by scum?

[Feel It]

I wanted him lynched too but the town turned on me, sigh

[StubbsKVM]

I think it was Nacho who suggested this in the first place. So if he went through hell, he deserved it

We won, that's important.

[Feel It]

well done guys :L

[Generic]

I hold champino responsible for how long it dragged out.

I had no issues with my death to get the final outcome, but you changed the plan and dragged this out. And you let more innocents die over it.

[Nachomamma8]

If you'll notice, we tried that several times. EVERY TIME it garnered accusations of being scum.

I propagated that. It wasn't really a good reason to find someone scum (sure they didn't want to go along with an optimal plan, but that was something that could have been talked about).

I maintain that the sportsmanlike thing for Nacho to do would have been to concede post-massclaim. Yes there was some minor chance champino would flake or miss his choice, but instead we got MONTHS of pointless discussion, apathy, and non-Mafia-related arguing. And while it was good WIFOM to make me think he was Town trying to salvage the game, it was never enough WIFOM to make me not lynch him in the end. Several people said that, enough to have majority every single Day. So why not concede?

I don't think it is the scum's responsibility to give themselves up when they are caught. It is still the town's responsibility to lynch that caught scum and end the game; you guys had majority on me for a day and a half, you could have lynched me at any time. I felt guilty lurking, but the only way that I could have even a tiny chance of winning was a last minute fuck up in that 7 player LyLo. Being active scum would have been nice, but then it would've been harder to picture town-Nacho fucking over the game by not picking scum. I saw people thinking I was scum or townish until 3p LyLo sure, but some things change. We were in this thing for a WHILE, and I figured the less of a directing hand I had in the game the more believable the final sell in 3p lylo.

Also also, what was up with the first two missed kills by scum?

First one was because I didn't have a strong PR read and I expected most of the playerlist to target me, didn't lose anything from it since I would earn another kill in MyLo (and because I'd have a clearer picture of the game by then). Second no kill was stupid, I was gonna shoot Miss Stranger but then I realized no cop, no good PR reads, and I was more afraid of an easy mislynch getting confirmed town than I was about getting another lynch. I regretted the second one pretty quickly, not that it mattered in the end.

[Mr. Flay]

That's the weird thing. The whole game came down to what happened D1+N1.

[Tamuz]

Newbie 1391 ends, not with a bang, but with a wimper

[Mina]

Goodbye.