NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think orc has already made some scummy reactions so you dont need to rely on your Rank mafia history, what do you think?

maybe there is a connection between the two but i'm wavering between that. I still like bauss for town.

[MVP]

No comment on yessiree's stealth vote?

[MVP]

Oh btw sakura I think I asked you a question few pages ago.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah i was just iso'ing him i think that's town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yessiree reminds me of TIP but worse tbqh

[Sakura Hana]

Ehh I missed it:

Either your reasoning is missing at the "*" that I marked in the quote, or you're scumreading us because you don't know our identity.
Which one is it, Sakura?

Actually the reason I'm scum-reading you isn't because i didnt know your identity, im just treating you as a single entity. And as a single entity i got a scum lean on you, because even tho I do actually know one of your heads, i'll just take you as a single entity and a player i've never played with since you decide to go with an anonymous hydra, so that's the treatment you'll get.

Well I guess partly of not knowing all members of your hydra is part of it, considering that's what is causing me to read you as a single entity called Player MVP that i've never played with before.

[MVP]

Also orci have you played with sakura before?

P-Edir: k so the first option.

[TheIrishPope]

yessiree reminds me of TIP but worse tbqh

Yeah no

[likeabauss]

Tell you what, if I'm wrong about Rank, I'll change my name to LikeAPuss. Swear to god. And I'll continue to play here on that name.

If I'm wrong about FratBoyz, I'm open to other name suggestions. FratBoyz choice obviously.

If you're town, please don't do things like these, it feels cheap and you're bringing outside influences into the game.

I think orc has already made some scummy reactions so you dont need to rely on your Rank mafia history, what do you think?

Noted and my apologies on that. I retract those statements.

[goodmorning]

well you should go be warned by bauss' 916

because i don't like when people post things that could get them slaps on the wrist

Votecount 1.31

JacobSavage [L-5] - sangres, MC Maraca, Cephrir, Hermy

Guyett [L-6] - PeregrineV, TheIrishPope, Angry Frat BROs

orcinus_theoriginal [L-6] - MVP, Sakura Hana, yessiree

Angry Frat BROs [L-8] - likeabauss

Hermy [L-8] - RadiantCowbells

sangres [L-8] - Guyett

Sakura Hana [L-8] - orcinus_theoriginal

Not Voting [3] - JacobSavage, caledfwitch, Toomai

With 17 alive, it takes

9

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-11-20 09:39:00)

Toomai is V/LA through 11/9.

[sangres]

Mr. Bauss, you haven't really given an initial reason for scumreading AFB IIRC. You just started from that assumption and are now painting them as scum. Orci was never in trouble here though, so I find your last statement to be an exaggeration.

Considering that my experiment seems to have failed, I'm considering dropping the act and changing accounts.

I'm glad you kept the avatar!

Since when have you been a proponent of utility lynches TIP? Last I checked, you fight them pretty hard.

This is GIF.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you not seeing what I'm seeing?
ISO him again and tell me he's contributing to this game.

He was contributing pretty significantly when he was run up.

Also I'd love to hear what seperates me from the likes of Caled who has actually done nothing and apparently has no interest in contributing to the game.
I'm sure every single fucking oost of mine is terribad -_-

Or JS!

I really need time to catch up.

I don't think that's the problem.

Thanks

Since you're here, updated reads from the past few pages?

You seem oddly interested on my reads this game considering you know that I can lie about my reads as town to set up for gambits.

But sure if anything AFB is moving from town to null-town, and TIP is more town, Guyett is more scum, and I still got a null read on you because idk when the heck Mara is posting, so im treating everything as Cabd.

bauss' comments on orc are interesting yes, but i dont think either of them is scum yet. (Inb4 fence sitting).

Idk how the heck to read Cephrir either, at times he looked town and at times scum so that's another null.

MVP is a collection of people whom i dont know the identity, so idk how to read them and im treating them as a single entity instead, null leaning scum.

caledf is being super lurky and is bothering me.

RC is being RC, null.

and the others I haven't formed a decent opinion on yet...

You left me out

[sangres]

Oh boy, I finally got one townread I am reasonably confident in! I was actually thinking about drawing up a reads list before post 842 happened with likeabauss on top of it, mostly due to my overall lack of conviction this game, but damn that moonlogic (there's a better word for this I know) is so town. And this is not the same as towndrugs, because his reasons are not ludicrous. town, town, town, town, town.

It took you this long?

Townies, please no full reads lists. We are up against a very smart and aggressive scum team. They will leverage your reads list against you. Chase your scum suspects, keep your town reads close for a game day or two.

How do you see this happening?

So townies, here's what is likely to happen... A momentum push of some kind again. I'm digging into some sore spots I think, and there's going to be a flurry of posting activity to push right past the stuff I'm posting. You can watch it fly by, or you can pile some votes onto FrayBoys and increase the heat. The scum team is worried now because if I can convince enough people to hang one of FratBoys or Orcinus, I get doc protected overnight and tomorrow lynch another mafia (the other one.) That puts them in a really really bad place.

That's why we are seeing Mara come out and discredit me (not the logic of an argument.) If I get some cred, its trouble. Mara knows I'm a strong player. We've got a couple games together of the same alignment (both town and scum) and we won them together. That's missing this game because Mara is scum and instead of valuing the input of a strong player she likes, she's position against it.

I'll be a bit lighter on activity for the next couple days, mobile only, so forgive the typos and any shit formatting. But I'll try to keep the heat on and contribute what I can.

This is giving me flashbacks

Don't be coy, you knew I was in this hydra.

I knew!

Here they come, fresh from a scum conference in their QT! Lol. Predictable.

The worst part of this is I know its near impossible to rally the votes needed to lynch either of them.

FratBros, you ignored or didn't respond to several other things I pointed out about your shitty transparent scum game. Momentum push onto Guyett? Setting up to lynch less active players? You're still not getting the psychobabble stuff, which I'm used to. You're scum. Let's do this... I can't lynch you today. You've got like 1 vote and its me. Your overactive defense can take a rest. You're safe. Focus your energy someplace else so I can sort the rest of the player base from your actions. Thanks.

Mara, you cut me deep! I asked for your vote on FratBoys awhile back. You never gave it. That was clue 1 that you're bad. We've cleaned house together previously, and when you asked me for my vote or some time in other games, I gave it. (Because I know you're a baller.) You know I'm good, and you know I know Rank, and still no love. No support. You're scum.

Orcinus, sorry man. Like I said, its a bs read and I feel bad for it. But you replaced into a scum slot.

Are you trying to convince Orcinus he's scum?

Also this is me thinking that town ffery wouldn't votepark on a chronic lurker this long.

-L. J.

We feel quite strongly about that vote. If somebody scumclaims before we synch I might move it. Otherwise, not likely without a synch.

No comment on yessiree's stealth vote?

What do you think about it?

[sangres]

I missed Orcinus. :/

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I missed Orcinus. :/

wut

[sangres]

Ah you're still here.

Why aren't you sorting me?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

because I suck at sorting you

do you want to talk about sakura though?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also orci have you played with sakura before?

P-Edir: k so the first option.

i think I have but I just don't remember it

So yeah basically no meta knowledge

[sangres]

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

you are talking to me

so i'm assuming you disagree with sakura's push?

and for the love of god I CALLED BAUSS OUT for that and she parroted


fuck this game

[Cephrir]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

Cabd go sit down at the corner and have yourself a timeout.
Because this post reeks.

#1 is not the first logical step of LTB calling rank's replace out and you know it.

-L. J.

This.

Do I fucking look like mara to you?

Is Mara not a head in that Hydra? Cabd and Mara? Correct me if I'm wrong. My apologies if I am.

You reframed the logic instead of answering my questions. If I'm the most knowledgeable guy in the room about Rank, why was your first reaction to discredit? If you were town, why wouldn't you push on Orcinus instead of discredit my argument? Do you have such a strong town read on that slot that you instantly thought "No way, Bauss is scum and/or retarded." I mean, its D1 and us townies need to find scum. All you did in this instance is discredit a potentially valuable read (or piece of info about player/slot) instead of exploring it.

Okay, I've been liking your attitude for town, but "if you were town you would agree with me" is a bit too far.

Mr. Bauss, you haven't really given an initial reason for scumreading AFB IIRC. You just started from that assumption and are now painting them as scum. Orci was never in trouble here though, so I find your last statement to be an exaggeration.

Considering that my experiment seems to have failed, I'm considering dropping the act and changing accounts.

Remember why I started bussing you in NY165, because you were doing this as scum to EddieFenix?

Does this read the same way as your push onto Eddie, because it is for me.

Hm. A little bit.

Oh boy, I finally got one townread I am reasonably confident in! I was actually thinking about drawing up a reads list before post 842 happened with likeabauss on top of it, mostly due to my overall lack of conviction this game, but damn that moonlogic (there's a better word for this I know) is so town. And this is not the same as towndrugs, because his reasons are not ludicrous. town, town, town, town, town.

I want to talk about this :/

Still like Guyett for scum. Also don’t like RC trying to lurk out the pressure. JS is my third scumspect right now, but that’s a fair bit weaker. Want to flesh out with Ceph why he’s townreading Bauss because I’m seeing parallels between what he’s doing here and what Ceph did in NY165.

I liked that he had a convoluted argument that, while less than stellar, had an internal logic to it. He has an over-the-top assurance that reminds me of Scumrir (only moreso), and when most players sound like Scumrir I find they're usually town. I really like abrasiveness, and he's preaching a level of certainty here that I don't see coming from scum (with possible exceptions for really prolific players, but I've never heard of him). And I'm also a fan of crazy-ass logic when it isn't completely stupid (like, he is saying things about words you actually wrote and I can imagine someone thinking as he does).

Here they come, fresh from a scum conference in their QT! Lol. Predictable.

The worst part of this is I know its near impossible to rally the votes needed to lynch either of them.

FratBros, you ignored or didn't respond to several other things I pointed out about your shitty transparent scum game. Momentum push onto Guyett? Setting up to lynch less active players? You're still not getting the psychobabble stuff, which I'm used to. You're scum. Let's do this... I can't lynch you today. You've got like 1 vote and its me. Your overactive defense can take a rest. You're safe. Focus your energy someplace else so I can sort the rest of the player base from your actions. Thanks.

Mara, you cut me deep! I asked for your vote on FratBoys awhile back. You never gave it. That was clue 1 that you're bad. We've cleaned house together previously, and when you asked me for my vote or some time in other games, I gave it. (Because I know you're a baller.) You know I'm good, and you know I know Rank, and still no love. No support. You're scum.

Orcinus, sorry man. Like I said, its a bs read and I feel bad for it. But you replaced into a scum slot.

Bold is a little too much, particularly given that one of them was clearly not here. Meh.

People I want to failmeta (because I suck at meta):
Sakura
orci if he keeps playing like this

Wait hang on it didn't click that you were cephrir when I first read this post

You have meta with me...

I do, and up to this point you didn't sound like townyou, but I didn't know what scumyou looks like.

I'm still townlean on AFB but it's weakened, i'd jump on orc tho, just to see where that goes.

VOTE: sakura

this slot is shit.

This is more like it, though.

VOTE: orc

You realize Sakura's vote is basically OMGUS right? So are you piling on bauss' reasoning, or what?

Also, my history with Rank goes outside of and beyond mafia on this board. So just doing a meta dive here doesn't yield an awful lot in the grand scheme of things. I don't get that people here will generally accept Mara or Nachos read on TIP without question, but I throw down on Rank and its a great big production.

holy shit this annoys me

why the fuck are you not linking to a game

lol@sakura

we're lynching this today

LEANING SCUM
Guyett- a little scummy, but didn't deserve all those votes
[redacted, feeling a little better about this though]
caledfwitch- lurker extraordinaire
JacobSavage- [note redacted]

orcinus_theoriginal- should be hilariously obvtown; isn't.

You're not out of the woods yet, but this is what I've been waiting to see. You were my top suspect for not doing it, though I didn't want this to be public until it happened.

why the fuck are you not linking to a game

wait let me answer myself

BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ONE

i produced a game ONSITE where rank was scum and he most CERTAINLY DID NOT LURK D1

the only thing you've put up this game in terms of concreteness is that rank had a good d1 as town

well gee fucking gee

i used the word "postulate" in some other game and I was town

I haven't yet--that means I'm scum, right

and what would that tell you

We won't find that out now since you screwed it up, tho unlike Toomai, the way you did it was pretty scummy, you just kept standing around there and found the first chance to jump on a townie, the momment i mention an intent to vote you "BAM!" you vote me :>

HAha

HAhahahaHAHAaha

no

the moment you do something ass-scummy like that BAM I vote your ass off this game

buhbye

Again, I say unto ye: I feel way better about this slot than I did before.

Ehh I missed it:

Either your reasoning is missing at the "*" that I marked in the quote, or you're scumreading us because you don't know our identity.
Which one is it, Sakura?

Actually the reason I'm scum-reading you isn't because i didnt know your identity, im just treating you as a single entity. And as a single entity i got a scum lean on you, because even tho I do actually know one of your heads, i'll just take you as a single entity and a player i've never played with since you decide to go with an anonymous hydra, so that's the treatment you'll get.

Well I guess partly of not knowing all members of your hydra is part of it, considering that's what is causing me to read you as a single entity called Player MVP that i've never played with before.

Not one thing you say in this post is a reason for suspecting someone except "I have a scum lean on you"...???

[Cephrir]

Oh boy, I finally got one townread I am reasonably confident in! I was actually thinking about drawing up a reads list before post 842 happened with likeabauss on top of it, mostly due to my overall lack of conviction this game, but damn that moonlogic (there's a better word for this I know) is so town. And this is not the same as towndrugs, because his reasons are not ludicrous. town, town, town, town, town.

It took you this long?

Yes

Well, I have one other that's reasonably close to this strong, but I wasn't really cognizant of this until I made a list.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

Cabd go sit down at the corner and have yourself a timeout.
Because this post reeks.

#1 is not the first logical step of LTB calling rank's replace out and you know it.

-L. J.

This.

No, not this.

Angryfratbros deserves rope. Dude replaced into a slot that bailed out very early in the game. Townies don't tend to bail that early. They see what shakes out, read, and dive back in as time allows. Scum however has a team counting on them, working a strategy, and there's more pressure on a scum slot to be involved/present.

[sangres]

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

you are talking to me

so i'm assuming you disagree with sakura's push?

It was typical of her play. It's not how I go about gathering data.

and for the love of god I CALLED BAUSS OUT for that and she parroted


fuck this game

Welcome back!

[Cephrir]

So let's go with your logic:

1-Replacing out day one is a scumtell.
2-Rank enjoys day ones.
3-Rank replaced out day one.
4-Rank's slot is scum.

So since the actual data totally disproves (1) why should 2-4 still be valid? Do you have some evidence of this you can cite?

Cabd go sit down at the corner and have yourself a timeout.
Because this post reeks.

#1 is not the first logical step of LTB calling rank's replace out and you know it.

-L. J.

This.

No, not this.

Specifically the part about that not being the first step in his logic, not the part about mcm being scum.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

<3 u

also guyett is not here i thought i would like people to not forget that.

Pedit: no. in the bauss quote i gave he says that replacing out day 1 in a scumtell.