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In post 854, Thor665 wrote:@BRO - would you like to vote Pere? I would love to see you voting Pere.

Why would I vote obvtown?

In post 924, BROseidon wrote: But you have a scum partner who might have wanted Porkens dead for a variety of reasons.

But that still does not equal "Bulba is scum because Porkens was killed.", as was being suggested.

Valid, but why play so far in the other direction?

Theory of mind is a thing that exists that you should theoretically be cognizant of as an adult.

In post 868, Thor665 wrote:Gawds, why will no one sheep me on you? I don't get it. I sort of hate all of the players in this game,a dn they are wusses about expressing their reads and doing "anything at all" is apparently anathema to them.

Uh....

In post 879, penguin_alien wrote:CTD, I guess scum might own their mistakes like that, and I agree that smargaret wasn't going to avoid being linked with the cxinlee lynch regardless. But I don't remember scum-smargaret being that brazen. I'll reread the scum game I have with her to see if reviewing it shakes up my take on her, since BRO isn't commenting.

Wasn't she town in Narnia, or do you have another game with her?

In post 897, penguin_alien wrote:BRO is right that his own play here is similar to Calvin and Hobbes, but I also think his town game is pretty different in confidence since then, and I don't know why he's reaching for that.

Too Many Heads before the force-replace.
Xenogears day 1.
Death's Diner at various points.

C&H was just the most absurd example of unmotivated me (other than Red Wedding, where I replaced out :/)

In post 927, BROseidon wrote:Valid, but why play so far in the other direction?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

You tried very hard to convince everyone that you'd never make a Porkens kill ever.

VOTE: smarg

Fairly sure the last scumz are in {smarg/bulba/anti} at this point. CTD and p5 are obvtown as, TSO is pretty town, and Thor's probably town. Penguin's my weakest town read b/c I can't read her.

L-1

I'd love to hear how CTD is obv. town.

i'm with whoever was saying that they're scumreading CTD. mostly gut from interactions with thor. also, he failed to give an opinion on my slot even though someone directly asked him for one; i think he left me at "mixed bag". convenient since i'm one of the borderline "might be able to lynch this" cases.

i approve of the marge lynch

In post 922, BROseidon wrote:1) So you don't care about me because...

2) A few points here. First is the question of whether your explanation is honest. Scum lie, and if you're scum, that would mean you'd lie about this to back off of a push that you know doesn't have traction. Second then is, if you're telling the truth, what motivation would lead to not caring.

Gut wants to call the derp a town-derp, since you're probably not lying about the mistake coming from a place of missing context – scum-you would likely be more careful in approaching the thread. Additionally, lack of caring is generally more indicative of town than scum – scum have more incentive to keep track of all the moving game components so that they can move most efficiently through the game. The fact that you don't seem to care about what I'm doing, or at least much of what I'm doing, indicates a town mindset.

In post 925, BROseidon wrote:Why would I vote obvtown?

How is he obv town?
Y'know, as much as I love just randomly spouting off reads without explanation and then being confused that others don't agree with my take.

In post 936, Antihero wrote:i'm with whoever was saying that they're scumreading CTD. mostly gut from interactions with thor.

...pretty sure I'm the one calling CTD scum.
How well did you read his interactions with me?

"whoever" = plural
i knew you were. someone else is too, i just can't be bothered to go look right now

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In post 902, Thor665 wrote:Don't twist on me dude, I never claimed his apathy was a tell one way or the other - you claimed his apathy was a town tell.

Then why the hell are you scumreading him?

I'm about done arguing with you, Thor. I've given you reason to rethink your Pere read. I tried getting to the bottom of your read on me to no avail. I've given you a compelling Smargaret case. The ball is in your court to wisen up.

You have an annoying habit of not giving straight answers and leaving your thoughts up to interpretation, and when someone's interpretation of your statements isn't to your liking, you accuse them of misrepping you. I'm done playing that game.

Do you object to a Smargaret lynch?

In post 898, Bulbazak wrote:I've been calling her some level of town since d1. I think it should be obvious that I got some level of a town vibe off of her.

You didn't mention her at all on D1. And you've been directly asked twice to explain your read on her, and "town vibes" didn't come up. Instead, you gave reasons that really weren't all that related to her own play, so no, it wasn't implied that you got a town vibe off of her. Could you expand on those, please?

In post 913, penguin_alien wrote:At this point I'm getting better vibes from smargaret's engagement with the game than Antihero's.

While I wouldn't argue that Antihero's engagement with the game is anything to write home about, I seriously struggle to see where you're getting any sort of good vibes from Smargaret's.

Are you actually town reading Smargaret? It feels like you're actively avoiding taking an actual stance on her.

In post 921, BROseidon wrote:

In post 821, CrashTextDummie wrote:BROseidon doesn't really bother me.

Why didn't my vote on Zek bother you?

Should it have bothered me? Your vote on Zek read as mildly town to me. There's no real upside for scum in pushing a policy lynch on a buddy.

In post 938, Antihero wrote:"whoever" = plural
i knew you were. someone else is too, i just can't be bothered to go look right now

oh it was bulbazak

In post 936, Antihero wrote:i'm with whoever was saying that they're scumreading CTD. mostly gut from interactions with thor. also, he failed to give an opinion on my slot even though someone directly asked him for one; i think he left me at "mixed bag". convenient since i'm one of the borderline "might be able to lynch this" cases.

i approve of the marge lynch

I didn't remember anyone asking me directly for my read on you, but checking back I see that PA was indeed "looking forward" to my thoughts.

Yes, I haven't properly sorted you yet. I have three stronger scum reads and you're not getting lynched today, so you're not exactly a priority for me. I am actively pushing a lynch you approve of. I'm not sure where exactly you are getting scummy intent from here.

Could you expand on your "gut", please? Anything specific in my interactions with Thor you object to?

In post 929, BROseidon wrote:

In post 879, penguin_alien wrote:CTD, I guess scum might own their mistakes like that, and I agree that smargaret wasn't going to avoid being linked with the cxinlee lynch regardless. But I don't remember scum-smargaret being that brazen. I'll reread the scum game I have with her to see if reviewing it shakes up my take on her, since BRO isn't commenting.

Wasn't she town in Narnia, or do you have another game with her?

Yeah, I went back and checked, and she was town miller. Who didn't claim until mass claim or something and unsurprisingly got lynched. She was also town in Mini 1527 and got vigged lateish in the game.

In post 943, CrashTextDummie wrote:

In post 913, penguin_alien wrote:At this point I'm getting better vibes from smargaret's engagement with the game than Antihero's.

While I wouldn't argue that Antihero's engagement with the game is anything to write home about, I seriously struggle to see where you're getting any sort of good vibes from Smargaret's.

Are you actually town reading Smargaret? It feels like you're actively avoiding taking an actual stance on her.

As I think about it, I don't have an active town read on her. But I'm leery of the wagon for how it seems to have persisted and having refreshed my (apparently crap) memory on her town games, this play really isn't out of line with what got her lynched/eliminated elsewhere as town.

What I don't like is her coming back to PV over and over, plus there's a sense of tunneling I don't recall from her town games. I can't muster up anything more enthusiastic as a defense, so I guess my stance is that it's not a bad wagon but I think we're more likely to find scum in Antihero.

Toss in town reads on you, Bulbazak, and TSO, plus town leans on Thor and BRO, and smargaret becomes a decent lynch.

In post 941, CrashTextDummie wrote:Then why the hell are you scumreading him?

For the reasons stated, which, succinctly, can be summed up as 'he was newb enough to ask the unseen question the mod answered that is unquestionably a question from the scum team'
Toss in 'actively avoided giving thoughts on anything' as a secondary, but the first point is the main one. I didn't think I was subtle in that.
You going to back up your own assertion now, as regards town and scum apathy?

In post 941, CrashTextDummie wrote:I've given you reason to rethink your Pere read.

I don't think you did other than telling me obver and over that my reads are 'bad'. You generically castigated me for my read there, you never pointedly supported your read.

In post 941, CrashTextDummie wrote:I tried getting to the bottom of your read on me to no avail.

I don't think you did, even reference the above - you have no idea what my case on you was. I don't think you ever even asked, you just made a presumption and ran with it.

In post 941, CrashTextDummie wrote:I've given you a compelling Smargaret case. The ball is in your court to wisen up.

I will agree you have given a Smargaret case.

In post 941, CrashTextDummie wrote:You have an annoying habit of not giving straight answers and leaving your thoughts up to interpretation, and when someone's interpretation of your statements isn't to your liking, you accuse them of misrepping you. I'm done playing that game.

I don't think I do any of this. I think people jump to conclusions about my thoughts and decide they don't need to ask me a straight question. Again, reference the above.
You could prove me wrong by showing me where you asked for my case on Yiley and I gave an unclear answer. Or, maybe even any of my answers that you were unclear of. Frankly, if I give an answer that is unclear it's on YOU to ask me for more clarification (if you note, this is something I constantly do to others to the point of being annoying to some of them). I do that to make sure I understand what other people are saying. If my answers are vague enough that you are unsure what I'm saying, it's not my fault if you for some reason decide on what I meant and then discover you were wrong. That is on you, to make sure I give a clear answer.

I find this entire complaint either farcical or scummy quite frankly.

In post 941, CrashTextDummie wrote:Do you object to a Smargaret lynch?

Insomuch as I prefer Pere, yes.
If I didn't, I'd probably be voting her, so obviously everyone not voting her objects to it on some level or another.

So let me get this straight. I criticized you for going almost exclusively after bad players and you claimed that you did nothing of the sort and I was misrepping you. Turns out that you were scumreading Yiley for being a newb (and don't you go into the semantics of "newb vs. bad", as it's functionally the same thing for the purpose of this discussion). Did you also go after zakk for this same reason? I'm formulating it as a question because god forbid I "twist your words" again.

Your secondary reason for suspecting him is "actively avoiding giving thoughts on anything". We've already established that he was replaced for , straight from the mod's mouth, and I assert that the former was a symptom of the latter. I further asserted that not playing the game is not indicative of a scum alignment, and you once again accused me of twisting your words because you claim you didn't either.

Thor wrote:I don't think I do any of this. I think people jump to conclusions about my thoughts and decide they don't need to ask me a straight question. Again, reference the above.
You could prove me wrong by showing me where you asked for my case on Yiley and I gave an unclear answer. Or, maybe even any of my answers that you were unclear of.

I've asked you the straight question of why you're scumreading me and you gave me the answer "because Yiley".

Thor wrote:Insomuch as I prefer Pere, yes.
If I didn't, I'd probably be voting her, so obviously everyone not voting her objects to it on some level or another.

This is an unclear answer. Let me rephrase the question: What is your current read on Smargaret? What is your case for her being town? What is your case for her being scum? What are your thoughts on my case against her? Am I covering everything? Am I going to have to do this every time I want to get a meaningful response out of you?