Mini 1621: Frog Mafia (KERO)

[Flubbernugget]

Still have 8 days for deadline. Flubber, Victor, talk to me.

Who else should I scum read and why

Well, let's start with ProHawk : Do you have an actual scumread on him?

Yes.

[massive]

Do you want to expound on that, or do you want to just ride the townread that some of us stated we have on you? Because posts like that don't help with the feeling that I'm missing something obvious.

[ProHawk]

The "why not" feeling doesn't matter because he is the last scum left

There are no scum mates to influence the wagon

So calm down, deep breaths, don't overthink it, lynch prohawk

Heck no. Orci is smarter than this.

No scum-mates to influence the wagon? Right...

Who needs scum-mates to influence anything when all town is on-board with a mislynch? Lets just glaze over this fact.

What happens tomorrow? "Guys I have this game solved, just lynch Massive FTW". Game over.

VOTE: Orcinus

[massive]

So this is just OMGUS right? Or can you explain GreyICE's blind vote for Jackel in 424, and subsequent posts?

[ProHawk]

You mean this vote?

Nevermind, looked it up myself: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ado_(Role)

Poop.

Unvote

Vote: Jackel98

Which later changes to

That's your reasoning? That the wagon on him has grown too quickly, and "there might be scum on it?"

Whose the scum, VGA? Who are the scum?

Defending Jackal's play based on the wagon is complete bullshit, and I'm calling you on it.

PEdit:

Unvote

Vote: VDA

With no real push in-between, but a riff with VDA which ends up in a push for VDA?

What does it look like to you?

[Flubbernugget]

Do you want to expound on that, or do you want to just ride the townread that some of us stated we have on you? Because posts like that don't help with the feeling that I'm missing something obvious.

I thought I already stated it so I can't tell if you're scumhunting or trying to look busy.

[massive]

I thought I already stated it so I can't tell if you're scumhunting or trying to look busy.

I didn't remember anything so let's go to the videotape.

I'll throw out the "voted for the mod" silliness because it was RVS and I don't even think YOU could sell it as legit.

Prohawk is scum because fuck his scum read on GreyICE.

Interesting. Pushes Prohawk as scum and GreyICE as town.

Prohawk wasn't even on the GreyICE wagon.

After the GreyICE lynch. Obviously can't go back to the first reason to vote him, but still wanting to push Prohawk as scum.

I'll discredit myself as using omgus so nobody else has to waste their breath over it.

And straight-up admitting you have no scum read on him.

So ... want to try again?

[Flubbernugget]

I already explained that I think it was a poorly crafted bus.

Also if you really couldn't tell that last point was sarcasm you need help.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Peace, my friends. We can sort things out tomorrow if necessary.

Hold the course. He is already flailing. I have great hopes

[Flubbernugget]

So are we waiting for a hammer or

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I have no clue man.

[ProHawk]

There really isn't any reason to stall. If it takes me flipping town to look at my case, do so.

[massive]

With no real push in-between, but a riff with VDA which ends up in a push for VDA?

What does it look like to you?

Here's the problem. At the time of his vote, there's nothing going on with Jackel. It seems unlikely that he would abandon the bad desperado vote on Garmr to start a bandwagon on his own buddy. And he has to push against VDA because VDA is possibly repping a guilty, and that's unrelated to whether he wants to abandon Jackel or not. You seem to be saying he was quick to abandon Jackel once the heat got turned up, but that's not completely accurate.

[ProHawk]

No, I am saying he was quick to abandon Jackel because they are partners. There wasn't even a push in that direction. His attack on VDA was way before the guilty came out.

[VictorDeAngelo]

@Orc

- What is your opinion of the GreyICE/ProHawk interactions Day 1?

@Arc

- What is your case against ProHawk?

@Flubber

- I can't find anything in your ISO to explain your scumread except for the fact he pushed a wagon on GreyICE. What did I miss?

[Flubbernugget]

The fact that that's the majority of his content helps

[ProHawk]

Pretty heavy mis-rep there.

[Flubbernugget]

Theres some null ate in there too I guess

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@Orc - What is your opinion of the GreyICE/ProHawk interactions Day 1?

i mean obviously i think prohawk is scum so i think it's scum scum

but you are trying to point me towards something and i'd appreciate if you just told me what i should be looking at

[VictorDeAngelo]

The fact that that's the majority of his content helps

Let's assume for a second this is true (it's not but whatever).

Why is the fact that a majority of his content is pushing a GreyICE wagon scummy?

@Orc - What is your opinion of the GreyICE/ProHawk interactions Day 1?

i mean obviously i think prohawk is scum so i think it's scum scum

but you are trying to point me towards something and i'd appreciate if you just told me what i should be looking at

Yeah, the fact that it doesn't look like scum on scum. I mean looking at it, does any of it read like distancing or are at the point of certainty with ProHawk and you simply don't feel the need to worry about it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

what doesn't look like scum on scum? i know that you don't think it doesn't look like svs which is why i asked what speciifcally you're referring to

are you talking about greyice saying prohawk looks like scum while greyice is voting garmr, and then moving his vote to waffleghost?

are you talking about prohawk calling greyice scum early? i mean realizing that prohawk and i literally won a game singularly by a really good bus?

are you talking about greyice's constant attacks on prohawk 318 301 234 and then never voting him EVEN ONCE and sometimes just talking to him like prohawk is town 466?

and then the really weird 360 570?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

buddy i'd love to comment on what you're saying, but you're not actually saying anything.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm saying it doesn't look like scum on scum. When GreyICE entered ProHawk immediately suspected him and the back and forth between the two seems peculiar when if ProHawk wanted towncred he would simply bussed Waffle and the distancing seems to serve little to no purpose if they were scum since neither particularly under pressure.

The reason I ask is that people seem to be getting towncleared for less, and no one actually produced a clearcut case for why we should lynch ProHawk toDay.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

When GreyICE entered ProHawk immediately suspected him and the back and forth between the two seems peculiar when if ProHawk wanted towncred he would simply bussed Waffle and the distancing seems to serve little to no purpose if they were scum since neither particularly under pressure.

i listed in 945 all the reasons why it's scum on scum

prohawk is prone to bussing. see tales of vesperia

be more specific

[VictorDeAngelo]

I mean yeah. Look at 301. Waffle is going to hang today so GreyICE is tying him to his other buddy. And why does Hawk try to deflect off Waffle onto GreyICE as opposed to some easier to lynch townie in 343. I mean it's easy to say "oh he's clever scum, just doing clever scum things" but I reiterate most of the players being towncleared right are being towncleared on interactions and I don't see how this lynch seems accepted toDay without a clear case on the table.