Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

For the record, we are not no lynching. Fucking no. Set aside the fact that we have two caught scum. There is a fucking votestealer in play. I'm pretty sure this is actually lylo. Someone else can do the mathz. I think there's 8 alive? 3 scum, and a vote less Townie? If we no lynch, then there's nightkill, 7 alive. 3 scum votes versus 3 town votes = scum can force no lunch = scum wins.

Regardless, I die tonight. All the no lynch accomplished then was town having one less vote (mine).

Like, comeon.

[Aristophanes]

I really wish I were on a computer so rainbow dash and I could adequately discuss how stupid everything aristophanes just said was. At least she got it with dat last post.

Like, shit ari, you're telling me team scum told you to vanillaize 2 of them, and then the last scum is a bus driver role cop, and it's me or kthx because *insert fart noise here*

And then you go from wanting to no lynch, to wanting to vote me or kthx, to then voting rainbowdash because *insert louder fart noise*

You and Kj are ignored until game is over and I take my game face off and we all become friends and smile and eat internet cake and have happy good times together because I love you all regards me.

Nope.

I was saying the rolecop was a lie and that the busdriver is the role.

I am alright with a NL or a vote on RBD, Jingle, or you. I said exactly that.
Where are you reading that I want to lynch you or Kthnx?

What is meant by myself and KJ being ignored?
I like oreo ice cream cakes if that is possible, but I'm not picky

Who are the two caught scum and why again, El?
And how do we know the votestealer is active?
It was likely oneshot.
If not, it was still likely Jingle, who is now vt.

[Aristophanes]

And did we ever find out if it was for just this dayphase or for the rest of the game that the vote was gone for?

[Rainbowdash]

And did we ever find out if it was for just this dayphase or for the rest of the game that the vote was gone for?

So now you not only are saying scum has a vote stealer (which would move up lylo one day) but a permanent one (which essentially is four scum confirmed)?

I mean... this is just absurd at this point.

Aristo is now claiming the scum team is:

Me who asked to be hit by VTer N1
Elbrin the bus driver (which means scum tried to kill RIP N1)
Jingle the possibly permanent can target every night vote remover who would make lylo one day earlier

I am alright with a NL or a vote on RBD, Jingle, or you. I said exactly that.

Can anypony else see the issue with this and his question about Jingle being permanent/multi-shot? If Jingle was a scum multi-shot or perm vote remover and we no lynched scum wins.

This is not town who is trying to catch scum. This is scum who tried to fight back when what they should have done is rolled over and died or bussed a partner.

I subbed in during nightfall. No one knew my jailing action. I selected based on similar thinkings to kthx's post in the thread. Prior to my/kthx claim, scum would be under the supposition that D3x subbed with their target. If kthx is scum, that's still the supposition.

Why do you think kthnx faked the result on Titus? Think of it this way:

You are scum and try to kill Titus. d3x is the only player who dies. What do you automatically assume? d3x must have targeted Titus. Now you don't KNOW this is true. Maybe KJ submitted the kill and d3x targeted me. What do you fake claim there as scum who needs a role cop result? What you think might be true: Titus returns a d3x result.

[Aristophanes]

I assume it is for a single dayphase, but did we get confirmation?
I asked because of Elbrin's post at the top of this page. You don't read well do you.
It was a slight afterthought, thus being in a different fucking post!

Okay, so the result could have been fakeclaimed. So?
Kthnx still had a stolen vote and from my PoV it seems to have been from Jingle-scum making him non-scum.

I still see no real problems with any of this and your reactions here really aren't helping you.
You're cherrypicking my posts for things you think you can spin against me.
You're leaving out things I have said on the same page.
You ask me to consider another option, and when I give it some thought and give you my only plausible solution to it, you explode on me for doing so, saying it's ridiculous I would come to such conclusions.

Like, come on.

You look like scum who just really wants a perfect game.

[Aristophanes]

If not a permanent votesteal, Elbrin's worry about NL is out the window.
If Jingle is "possibly permanent target every night vote stealer" or however you phrased it, why was there no votesteal in previous days?
He said he is neg utility but never in what way. How do we know he didn't do something else with his N1 action?

And he is now vanilla.
So is it not a pertinent question to ask if it is permanent or not?
I asked when the thought crossed my mind.

And if I am so for sure scum, why no vote on me?
No time like the present, amirite?

[Aristophanes]

Also, when did I say Jingle was multishot!?
Putting words into my mouth.

[Rainbowdash]

I still see no real problems with any of this and your reactions here really aren't helping you.You're cherrypicking my posts for things you think you can spin against me.You're leaving out things I have said on the same page.You ask me to consider another option, and when I give it some thought and give you my only plausible solution to it, you explode on me for doing so, saying it's ridiculous I would come to such conclusions.

Im just wrecking your theories actually because pushing for a no lynch while thinking Jingle is scum is putting everything on him having been one shot when he actually never said he was.

There is no way for us to actually know if Jingle is one shot or not right? Not unless there is a second loss of vote. You however are entertaining the idea of a no lynch. If he is scum and multi-shot or permanent that OUTRIGHT loses the game for town. 7 alive, only 3 town with votes. That is game.

Again, how is Jingle scum? Why does he even use his action there is he is scum? Shouldn't he just say it must not have done anything public? Or maybe RBed? And then use it the next day?

You aren't town because town would actually have thought about this at some point. The whole "hey I think Jingle is scum but if he is multi-shot we lose" thing? Yeah.

Town would not be talking about a no lynch while thinking Jingle is scum here. Scum who doesn't realize what that may mean would though.

Just for the record with Aristo we are now at him trying to push:

Elbrin is a scum bus driver (RIP was killed directly N1)
Jingle is a scum vote stealer (so essentially there is an extra scum)
A no lynch is acceptable with a scum vote stealer in play

All of his theories are centered around not letting KJ be lynched. He seriously ended up with "either Elbrin is the bus driver and scum killed lynchbait BG night one or kthnx is a role cop bus driver" over things such as "Titus blocked KJ who sent in a kill". We lynch KJ today, town might still be able to pull out a win. Anything else happens I think its over.

KJ + kthnx + Aristo

KJ got blocked and is pretty solidly PoE as the scum who is screwing with stuff
kthnx is just obvious scum due to his play and his role at this point
Aristo has melted down and keeps pushing stuff that doesn't make sense for town to push

[Jingle]

Just for the record with Aristo we are now at him trying to push:

Elbrin is a scum bus driver (RIP was killed directly N1)
Jingle is a scum vote stealer (so essentially there is an extra scum)
A no lynch is acceptable with a scum vote stealer in play

But have you considered that the scum is actually Heartless who had a role where they flipped town N1 with a role of their choice and they get to make unlimited nightkills each night and also become the mod whenever they want? I think that's obviously the correct answer and Equinox got roped into some cosmic joke.

Yeah, I'm not longer seeing RBD scum. My big concern was his huge frickin 180 on me, but the rest of his thoughts seem to be coming from the same headspace.

[Titus]

For the record, we are not no lynching. Fucking no. Set aside the fact that we have two caught scum. There is a fucking votestealer in play. I'm pretty sure this is actually lylo. Someone else can do the mathz. I think there's 8 alive? 3 scum, and a vote less Townie? If we no lynch, then there's nightkill, 7 alive. 3 scum votes versus 3 town votes = scum can force no lunch = scum wins.

Regardless, I die tonight. All the no lynch accomplished then was town having one less vote (mine).

Like, comeon.

The math is that scum cannot have a 2 shot vote stealer or the game is over more than likely.

If kthx is town, the only lynch we can pull off the a mislynch? 5 to lynch and 4 vote capable townies...

Remind me why you are conftown. Please.

[Rainbowdash]

The math is that scum cannot have a 2 shot vote stealer or the game is over more than likely.

Or you just assume that if that was the case Jingle says he targeted whatever player he wanted, it must have just RBed them or something like that and then pulls out the vote thing when going into lylo for a win.

Remind me why you are conftown. Please.

I can do that one.

N1 RIP (dead bodyguard) was tracked to Elbrin. RIP was a player quite a few wanted to still lynch, I don't think scum burns a NK on him there directly. Yeah its possible, but it doesn't make sense for scum to pull that move. Again another reason why I think kthnx is scum. It would mean that scum viewed Morty-cop as a bigger threat than role cop N1.

[Jingle]

Who says that's the order of actions? Also there is a hole in that one. Lets look at it this way

Elbrin is clear - Not him

Point.

Lufan is vig - Not him

Hmmm, probable. The only way I can see lufan's claim being fake is a Titus, lufan, kthx team.

Eliminate you from your stance
Titus is what happened to that kill - Not her

Hmmm. Unless Titus is scum, in which case no. I think she's town, but the possibility she's scum shouldn't be discounted in setup spec.

kthnx is role cop - Not him

Point. And more importantly, he probably didn't votesteal himself.

Aristo is VTizer - Not him

Point

Missing here is the possibility that you and Aristo are scum together, which I am finding increasingly unlikely. And you being the votethief in general, which kinda makes sense in a weird way.

El is conftown, Titus.

Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify.

Thought...

@Mod- Does this setup follow NAR?

Yes.



Also: Aristophanes and Mainez have been prodded.

[Aristophanes]

OkY, RBD, Jingle is V-fucking-T now, so why the hell does it matter if they were multishot!?
Why are you omitting this in all of your posts in order to stop a NL and Villainize me??

And if Jingle were multishot, for the sake of argument, whether we lynch today or not we are still going to lose.
We would come back to a 3v3 scenario in which town has 2 votes.
The game would already be fucking over!
Now will you stop it with the scum theory on me for things I never said in the first place and which don't even make sense?

Also,
Jingle, Votestealer, now VT.
Elbrin, is busdriver.

I never said (or never meant to, wording may have been bad and I did forget which of Kthnx and El was morty cop and which was rolename cop for a bit) the busdriver was also a rolecop. So will you can the misreps of me?

Flames said he would visit RIP, yes?
If RIP were visiting Scum it would be perfectly set up to "conftown" a scumbuddy because "why would scum shoot RIP?"
So this whole thing still has holes and nobody is confirmed.

Now, will poeple please reread my posts before telling me what I did and didn't say?
Almost everything RBD is saying against me is not actually what I said.
Will somepony remind me how the pony is not scum again?

[LlamaFluff]

It's too much to post from a phone but I already have one easy scenario for how it could be jingle me and elbrin with jingle not vanilla now.

[Rainbowdash]

Stupid auto sign in phone.

Point holds

[Titus]

Who tracked Elbrin?

[Titus]

I am checking my assumptions but if NAR is done right then Aristotle, RBD, Jingle must be the team.

[Titus]

Yes. It's Jingle RBD Ari.

We lynch that pool or no lynch.

[Elbirn]

Flames did j believe?

Also it hasn't been mentioned, and I can't recall the post, but at some point there was a mod error where I was listed as dead and rip as alive. As sleazy as it is to use that as an argument , it still happened.

[Elbirn]

Yes. It's Jingle RBD Ari.

We lynch that pool or no lynch.

I'm a little confused how you've got that conclusion, and admittedly nar analysis makes my eyes glaze over. I'm down for an ari lynch. I still think the simplest explanation here is that kj was scum who submitted the nk and you Roleblocked him, so he's my preference. Ari is pretty clearly scum. My tinfoil hat theory is that rbd is actually morty and I regret not copping her, but I'm not lynching her today frankly. She's either 2town2day for me to consider, or she'll help us bus her partner ari. I'll be dead tomorrow so luckily I don't have to puzzle her out.

The third, if not rbd, is jingle by poe I guess.

Kj
ari
jingle
rbd

That's the order I prefer to lynch in.

[Elbirn]

Stupid auto sign in phone.

Point holds

Game face off, now that I know rbd = alt, it is absolutely delightful that rbd is just an alt you use for lulz

[Aristophanes]

Yes. It's Jingle RBD Ari.

We lynch that pool or no lynch.

If this were true, I would be the required busser, correct?
So let's make an RBD lynch happen.

[Rainbowdash]

Yes. It's Jingle RBD Ari.

We lynch that pool or no lynch.

You too?

How do you ever come to a "no lynch" as a result there? If Jingle was multi-shot that could be a forced scum win if you just assume something like...

N1 I bussed myself and Flames
N2 Aristo didn't VT Jingle
N3 Jingle vote nullifies and scum win

If you think that Jingle is scum, ESPECIALLY if you think he is scum with Aristo there is zero reason to lynch here. Zero.

Its KJ or Aristo today. I want KJ because I think thats the only way town can win it even though Aristo is still a great scum pick. Aristo voting me is a joke since every single theory that puts me as scum requires Aristo to be scum first. Have you still ever seen Aristo go more out of the way than he is here to NOT vote a player?

[Aristophanes]

I have theories where the two of us aren't scumbuddies, but you still are actually.

And I cane to a conclusion that KJ is town, so why would I push/vote them?

[Titus]

I have theories where the two of us aren't scumbuddies, but you still are actually.

And I cane to a conclusion that KJ is town, so why would I push/vote them?

Ewww...

VOTE: Ari

You need a theory where you're not a scumbuddy?