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So I headed back to read what the crap is going on about wrt Mirhawk.
But it didnt matter because:

↑ Mirhawk wrote:I decided after posting that there was no way find out if the CC was legit or not without flipping one or both of the people involved, so I voted for pistachio anyways.

This right there is scum lining up lynches.
with that said i dont mind Mirhawk dying today either
VOTE: Mirhawk

↑ Mirhawk wrote:@Cerb
What would I stand to gain from that scenario?

There is nothing for you to gain in any of these scenarios. This isn't an accusation of you having a scum agenda which that interaction revealed. I'm not laying out a plot revealed through a mistake you made. This is about the hint of knowledge which you would not have if town, actions taken because of that knowledge, and contradictions between your expressed thoughts at the time and the way you behaved.

pedit: Yes, what Sakura said. I haven't actually looked at your iso yet Mirhawk, I JUST read the game, but I know the things you were/are saying just don't make sense coming from someone who sincerely believed that the counterclaim was a lie, and if you DIDN'T sincerely believe it was a lie, then why are you lying about that?

↑ Axelrod wrote:Sakura it's possible there's a language or cultural thing going on there but the whole exchange with him was just weird. The way he jumped on whether or not my random vote was serious did not make any sense at all.

First of all I'm a she
Second of all

Where in this sequence of posts am i supposed to take your statement as a joke?

Oh And third, i have like many other posts that dont talk about the "seriousness" of your vote, why are you focusing so much on that?

Lining up lynches? Seriously?

I never said any of this back .

A thing which I am no longer doing by the way.

How on earth would I be lining up lynches now?

But guys Swordsworth and Skybird are scummier

As much as I don't have a read on Skybird a Sword lynch is 10x better than Mirhawk one.

A Seniors lynch is by far the best lynch all around though.

Cerb explained it, I just gave it a name. By implying that one of them had to be lying, ergo, they were scum, you can easily lynch the one that claimed first and if they flip miller you could lynch the 2nd one for lying, that's called lining up lynches, when you know neither of the 2 are in your team. Look at the bolded

↑ Mirhawk wrote:/lawls

Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.

Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.

I mean what if Piss flips Miller? I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.

Here you're getting ready for a pistachion town flip and to use it as "told you guys that ami was scum counterclaiming" to lynch Ami the next day.

P-Edit: I could go back to Sword if you guys prefer to go that way, both of them are scum anyway.

Mirhawk: why were you concerned with flipping one or both of them, if you sincerely believed the counterclaim to be fake?

pedit: Spiffeh, skybird is skybird, why is this skybird scum in any way that skybird isn't normally?

I agree on swordsworth being scummy, btw. I don't agree that we should be focusing our conversation on him when he's not even here though.

I'm still down for a Swords lynch
Spiffeh what happened to your Seniors read?

Also with all this "skybird's scum" i feel i should ISO her, probably when im not feeling lazy >_< (So tonight)

↑ beeboy wrote:As much as I don't have a read on Skybird a Sword lynch is 10x better than Mirhawk one.

A Seniors lynch is by far the best lynch all around though.

I don't follow your first sentence. In what way is your lack of a read on skybird relevant to the idea of a sword lynch being superior to a Mirhawk lynch?

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:

↑ beeboy wrote:As much as I don't have a read on Skybird a Sword lynch is 10x better than Mirhawk one.

A Seniors lynch is by far the best lynch all around though.

I don't follow your first sentence. In what way is your lack of a read on skybird relevant to the idea of a sword lynch being superior to a Mirhawk lynch?

I was responding to a spiff post that said we should lynch skybird and sword.

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:

↑ Mirhawk wrote:@Cerb
What would I stand to gain from that scenario?

There is nothing for you to gain in any of these scenarios. This isn't an accusation of you having a scum agenda which that interaction revealed. I'm not laying out a plot revealed through a mistake you made. This is about the hint of knowledge which you would not have if town, actions taken because of that knowledge, and contradictions between your expressed thoughts at the time and the way you behaved.

pedit: Yes, what Sakura said. I haven't actually looked at your iso yet Mirhawk, I JUST read the game, but I know the things you were/are saying just don't make sense coming from someone who sincerely believed that the counterclaim was a lie, and if you DIDN'T sincerely believe it was a lie, then why are you lying about that?

Except there isn't actually any knowledge there that the rest of the town DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE.

You're taking information that every person in the town had and are ascribing a scum motivation to it.

Could you point out where I lied because I literally have no idea what you think I lied about.

Pedit.
Ugh I'm responding to these one by one.

↑ beeboy wrote:

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:

↑ beeboy wrote:As much as I don't have a read on Skybird a Sword lynch is 10x better than Mirhawk one.

A Seniors lynch is by far the best lynch all around though.

I don't follow your first sentence. In what way is your lack of a read on skybird relevant to the idea of a sword lynch being superior to a Mirhawk lynch?

I was responding to a spiff post that said we should lynch skybird and sword.

Yes, I understand that. Your sentence construction is still nonsensical. Is this purely a poorly worded post? Did you intend something along the line of "I don't have a skybird read. A sword lynch is 10x better than a Mirhawk one.", but you missed the necessary punctuation to communicate that, and instead came up with that jarbled sentence that makes it sound as though there's some connection between your skybird read and those other two slots?

>.< Yes don't rub it in

↑ Spiffeh wrote:But guys Swordsworth and Skybird are scummier

↑ beeboy wrote:As much as I don't have a read on Skybird a Sword lynch is 10x better than Mirhawk one.

A Seniors lynch is by far the best lynch all around though.

Skybird is okay, but swords is a bad lynch.

Seniors is unlikely to happen.

Why is Swords a bad lynch?

↑ The Pied Piper wrote:
@Axelrod

Regarding 288, thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense. Being 90% certain seems like hyperbole to me, but I agree that he seems sincere in his hyperbole. Are you still townreading Mirhawk?

Pretty much.

I liked all Mirhawk's early stuff. I thought his questioning of davesaz was right on the money. The flack he's getting right now is entirely based off his supposed illogical reaction to Ami's "counter-claim" but I don't have a problem with what he said. I mean, this is the "reaction" post:

/lawls

Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.

Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.
I mean what if Piss flips Miller? I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.

He's saying, we probably should string up pistachio in this situation, but he's also slightly worried about us being burned by this being a scum gambit. And that's not crazy-talk, even putting aside the meta that he got burned by something like that before. I mean, I get that this is the position a scum take who knew that pistachio was not scum with them, but I almost think that it's likely a scum (who knows that neither pistachio nor Ami are scum with him, and is probably laughing at dueling Miller claims) would even hedge a little this way. Why not just take the free lynch? And then his questioning of Ami when Ami comes back and starts being cagey - all "let's not be so hasty" - is perfectly reasonable.

I don't think people are thinking this one all the way through.

AXEL fwiw, EP is the primary head this game. I'm sitting back a bit.

Mirhawk, it is perfectly reasonable for town!Mirhawk to have looked at the situation and come to the conclusion that one of the two claims is likely fake. Your CERTAINTY of that, though, was far greater than an uninformed slot SHOULD have had. Perhaps you're just confident, but that confidence looks like the sort of confidence a scum slot can have when they "fight" against a mislynch because they KNOW the person is town.

Do you follow that?

Alright, now the lying idea. If you believed that there was truly no counterclaim to pistachion's claim, why did you vote for her? Your response to this was that you figured the only way to sort out whether the counterclaim was true or not was to flip one or both of those slots claiming miller. Your response does NOT address the question. You were confident it was a fake counterclaim. There is no reason to vote pistachion, or to attempt to flip EITHER party on the basis of that alone. Therefore, either you are lying about your belief that it was fake at that time, OR you are lying about what your reason was for continuing to vote pistachion.

If there's another explanation, I would be glad to hear it.

Axelrod, I think everything through. Too far through, generally speaking. Your point that scum!Mirhawk has little to nothing to gain from reacting this way in this circumstance is valid, but that doesn't change the fact that he did act in a fashion which, contrary to your beliefs, really does not make any sense. If you have ANY doubt about a counterclaim, you don't lynch the fucking original claim. How backwards is that?

↑ Sakura Hana wrote:Cerb explained it, I just gave it a name. By implying that one of them had to be lying, ergo, they were scum, you can easily lynch the one that claimed first and if they flip miller you could lynch the 2nd one for lying, that's called lining up lynches, when you know neither of the 2 are in your team. Look at the bolded

↑ Mirhawk wrote:/lawls

Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.

Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.

I mean what if Piss flips Miller? I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.

Here you're getting ready for a pistachion town flip and to use it as "told you guys that ami was scum counterclaiming" to lynch Ami the next day.

P-Edit: I could go back to Sword if you guys prefer to go that way, both of them are scum anyway.

And the town version of this would be pre-associative flips. They're exactly the same thing only apparently one is a scumtell and the other isn't.

Despite the fact that they're done all the time by loads of people of either alignment.

↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:Mirhawk: why were you concerned with flipping one or both of them, if you sincerely believed the counterclaim to be fake?

I didn't think the counterclaim was fake until later.

The turning point would be the post where I asked Ami if she was Salamance in disguise.

↑ SirCakez wrote:Why is Swords a bad lynch?

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