In post 920, Mathdino wrote:i know i'm not helping any case here but i played 2.5 days of a game once by straight up wholesale impersonating NSG's town meta so i'm wondering if i'd try to write some solid-ass townposts for her if we were scum together
okay so we gotta lynch someone and everyone thinks they themselves are a suboptimal lynch
i put out the call for reasons to townread ofrhz
i am disappointed with the lack of response
why should i townread ofrhz
Gutread, she (sorry ofrhz I always called you "he" in our previous games ) seems to be playing like Pick Your Poison; people wanting to lynch her on D1 is like a deja vu. Also her reaction to her wagon: in PYP her reaction was awful, she gained a policylynch status only for how she reacted; here, she was more "I don't know how to say it in english but like calm but that's not the word I'm looking for" after her wagon started to build. Do you think scum!ofrhz reacts better to her wagon that town!ofrhz? By Occam's razor, town!ofrhz learned how to react better to votes makes much more sense than scum!ofrhz reacts better than town!ofrhz.
(Also my gutreads are good)
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:01 pm
by Mathdino
oh i missed the "ofrhz is she" conversation whoops
i just noticed ofrhz having scum meta
nacho apparently read her by shitty logic and bad reads
in PYP ofrhz had decent reads but poor expression of them
i'm not sure i have a profile for how town vs scum ofrhz reacts to a wagon
OKAY TIME TO STOP BEING LAZYDINO
READING THE ISO NOW
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:03 pm
by Mathdino
okay yeah ofrhz is probably town, who the fuck is tunneling this slot
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:04 pm
by ofrhz
You did that in 2 mins?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:04 pm
by ruru
The thing is ofrhz was pretty town to me for the first half of d1 in 721 and I'm not feeling the same towniness here
That's actually part of why I didn't want to say much about my vote, because my mental model of ofrhz is that she doesn't post well when under serious suspicion as town
So I didn't want to interfere with her natural obvtowning if she's actually town
In post 458, the worst wrote:I like where you're coming from, after extracting a bit more of your thought process.
tbh I think I'm being dumb with ofrhz. tonally she seems similar to our last game, but there's something awkward there.
In post 458, the worst wrote:I like where you're coming from, after extracting a bit more of your thought process.
tbh I think I'm being dumb with ofrhz. tonally she seems similar to our last game, but there's something awkward there.
i'm not really reading for how much i agree with you
like i have 2 methods of reading
1. critically read someone for their alignment
2. read someone's posts for the quality/accuracy of their reasoning
if i only have to do one then things go much quicker
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:13 pm
by ofrhz
I think HWS’s vote was worse than the worsts tbh
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:13 pm
by Mathdino
so let's just get this fuckin straight guys
pull up TW ISO and ctrl+f by "ofr"
so what we got is a soft defence of ofrhz throughout the entire first half of the day
- WHY ARE PEOPLE SCUMREADING OFRHZ HMMMM? (345)
- IDK OFRHZ KINDA SEEMS LIKE TOWN (317)
- STOP FLIP FLOPPING ON OFRHZ (306)
and then suddenly he's like "whelp NSG, blackstar and dino are on the wagon, maybe i'm stupid, WAGON HO!"
ignoring the fact that i was obviously just sheeping someone and didn't have a read on ofrhz myself
amusing sidenote, i missed 664 literally asking if people are ctrl+f'ing "ofrhz" in his ISO
regardless, it's opportunistic as fuck, ofrhz is known to be an easy D1 lynch
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:19 pm
by ofrhz
In post 929, ruru wrote:That's actually part of why I didn't want to say much about my vote, because my mental model of ofrhz is that she doesn't post well when under serious suspicion as town
So I didn't want to interfere with her natural obvtowning if she's actually town
I see what you mean but I feel like the reason why I naturally obvtown is also why I got mislynched so I’m trying to not spew dumb shit too much
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:20 pm
by ruru
In post 932, Mathdino wrote:504 claiming that your meta this game is like night and day from your completed scum meta is a ballsy claim to make as scum
Hmmmmmmmm
I hadn't looked at it from that angle
Actually I guess I misread a50 in a somewhat comparable situation in purgatory? (He vanity wagoned himself for heaven when he was very not-obvtown)
so what we got is a soft defence of ofrhz throughout the entire first half of the day
- WHY ARE PEOPLE SCUMREADING OFRHZ HMMMM? (345)
- IDK OFRHZ KINDA SEEMS LIKE TOWN (317)
- STOP FLIP FLOPPING ON OFRHZ (306)
and then suddenly he's like "whelp NSG, blackstar and dino are on the wagon, maybe i'm stupid, WAGON HO!"
ignoring the fact that i was obviously just sheeping someone and didn't have a read on ofrhz myself
amusing sidenote, i missed 664 literally asking if people are ctrl+f'ing "ofrhz" in his ISO
regardless, it's opportunistic as fuck, ofrhz is known to be an easy D1 lynch
i'm not going to entertain a "the worst is scum because ofrhz is scum and TW is bussing/distancing her" theory when i'm not scumreading ofrhz in the first place lol
notable that TW has basically sheeped NSG onto 2 different people that he wasn't really even scumreading
so what we got is a soft defence of ofrhz throughout the entire first half of the day
- WHY ARE PEOPLE SCUMREADING OFRHZ HMMMM? (345)
- IDK OFRHZ KINDA SEEMS LIKE TOWN (317)
- STOP FLIP FLOPPING ON OFRHZ (306)
and then suddenly he's like "whelp NSG, blackstar and dino are on the wagon, maybe i'm stupid, WAGON HO!"
ignoring the fact that i was obviously just sheeping someone and didn't have a read on ofrhz myself
amusing sidenote, i missed 664 literally asking if people are ctrl+f'ing "ofrhz" in his ISO
regardless, it's opportunistic as fuck, ofrhz is known to be an easy D1 lynch
In post 939, Mathdino wrote:i'm not going to entertain a "the worst is scum because ofrhz is scum and TW is bussing/distancing her" theory when i'm not scumreading ofrhz in the first place lol
notable that TW has basically sheeped NSG onto 2 different people that he wasn't really even scumreading
No no, read the second post, the first one was for context
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:26 pm
by Mathdino
m'bad, 3 different people
my scumpool is something like
one of the worst/jjh
Smart (pending meta review)
HWS
pintu
core town is still {ruru, Zor, HitAlt} although i would really like to feel confident on ruru given that i didn't come up with that read and someone else did
NSG can probably be added to that for now
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:26 pm
by pinturicchio
In post 938, Almost50 wrote:
<insert some silly joke in here then LAUGH AT IT>
<Laughing out loud intensifies>
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:27 pm
by Mathdino
pintu i missed your fairly decent case because it got drowned out by davesaz and ruru arguing for 2 pages about mafia theory and how to meta me when i'm literally not posting
one of the worst/jjh
Smart (pending meta review)
HWS
pintu
core town is still {ruru, Zor, HitAlt} although i would really like to feel confident on ruru given that i didn't come up with that read and someone else did
NSG can probably be added to that for now
You're trusting me on town!ruru so you can scratch me out of that silly scumpool of yours
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:29 pm
by pinturicchio
In post 944, Mathdino wrote:pintu i missed your fairly decent case because it got drowned out by davesaz and ruru arguing for 2 pages about mafia theory and how to meta me when i'm literally not posting
Well, we came to almost the same conclusions based on the same info, so either I'm getting better at doing scumreads, or you got worse
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:29 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 915, BlackStar wrote:It felt obvious to me that you suspected me and felt like I had ulterior motives for my post and it was annoying that you didn't just say it outright. I remembered you dancing around the fact that you suspected me earlier, but I thought you did it more times than you actually had. So that combined with the fact that you're wrong made it feel like you were coming up with dumb reasons to suspect me. And I already explained what I was doing.
I don't doubt any of this, but the point of my questions wasn't to push a scumread on you nor was it indicating that I did scumread you. The point was to gain a little insight into why you might have said what you did in order to read you better.
I'm trying to engage with YOU. If I were set on pushing a scumread on you, I'd be engaging others in trying to change their read on you.
Also... if you thought I was coming up with silly reasons to push a scumread on you, what reasons did you think I had for doing that?
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:32 pm
by Mathdino
at some point y'all gonna have to accept that i did not read the majority of this game and it is a relatively good assumption that i have not read post #XYZ until i have explicitly said that i read it
i can trust you on town ruru without trusting your alignment
just like you're trusting me on town NSG without trusting my alignment
you having been scumbuddies with ruru is a pretty decent reason so i'll leave her as 3rd down on my townpool
but yeah i probably would have had different reads if i was present for more things lol
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 2:33 pm
by Mathdino
In post 948, Mathdino wrote:at some point y'all gonna have to accept that i did not read the majority of this game and it is a relatively good assumption that i have not read post #XYZ until i have explicitly said that i read it
caveat: i have now read the majority of this game just by reading the majority of the ISOs in this game
i was not however reading that much in real time outside of "find me some good reads to sheep"
) seems to be playing like Pick Your Poison; people wanting to lynch her on D1 is like a deja vu. Also her reaction to her wagon: in PYP her reaction was awful, she gained a policylynch status only for how she reacted; here, she was more "I don't know how to say it in english but like calm but that's not the word I'm looking for" after her wagon started to build. Do you think scum!ofrhz reacts better to her wagon that town!ofrhz? By Occam's razor, town!ofrhz learned how to react better to votes makes much more sense than scum!ofrhz reacts better than town!ofrhz.
