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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:04 pm
by Allomancer
In post 922, Firebringer wrote: In post 920, Allomancer wrote:And my point is that the worst has a much higher ratio of content:shit than you. The worst also puts far more effort into her content posts than you.
Okay content:shit ratio determines alignment and effort also means alignment.
If that is the basis of your read than okay.
Why do you think these two are relevant to either of us two when we are two different players?
Because with how high your post count is, I wouldn't expect ~50% of that to be shitposting. It's a waste of time, clogs up the thread, and benefits town none. How is it a towny thing to do then?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:07 pm
by Firebringer
In post 925, Allomancer wrote: In post 922, Firebringer wrote: In post 920, Allomancer wrote:And my point is that the worst has a much higher ratio of content:shit than you. The worst also puts far more effort into her content posts than you.
Okay content:shit ratio determines alignment and effort also means alignment.
If that is the basis of your read than okay.
Why do you think these two are relevant to either of us two when we are two different players?
Because with how high your post count is, I wouldn't expect ~50% of that to be shitposting. It's a waste of time, clogs up the thread, and benefits town none. How is it a towny thing to do then?
It doesn't, its my personal preference of style to keep myself not from shooting myself in the head and enjoying the game.
how much is acceptable shit posting? or better when does that level of shit posting in your eyes go from a silly thing to do become a clog and hurt the town?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:09 pm
by Allomancer
When it becomes obnoxious enough that we have to argue about it.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:09 pm
by Firebringer
and that happens when you just feel like it or what exactly?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:11 pm
by Allomancer
I'm sorry that I can't draw a line and say "50 shitposts is too many" or whatever. Its an innate feeling. And right you're far past that line, wherever it is.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:11 pm
by Ankamius
So what are both of your reads on reinhardt?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:13 pm
by Allomancer
scummy
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:15 pm
by Firebringer
In post 929, Allomancer wrote:I'm sorry that I can't draw a line and say "50 shitposts is too many" or whatever. Its an innate feeling. And right you're far past that line, wherever it is.
Your fine mate, i appreciate you answering all my questions no matter how inane they appear.
I am going to go for a different angle here.
Do you expect, someone like me, to go far past any lines you have of shit posting because I don't care how much you find it annoying. Nor would that reflect my alignment. Or do you think I do it only as scum to clog the thread up?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:16 pm
by Slaxx
In post 875, Krazy wrote:
I kinda would like a bit more discussion before anyone who could plausibly be in the top 6 pairs first of all, which is probably the only reason I haven't offered yet
Beyond that, Dunn's BoP as scum is
significantly higher than yours
which would mean it would be much riskier to put you in the top 6
How do you make this decision when I have had only one game as scum here? That's what my concern is. It isn't about your actual rating of my play, and its not about me being with Dunn. I am zeroing in on this particular statement because you seem overconfident in this statement, and instead of working with me to sort it out, you deflect to how it isn't about me and then a dig at my play.
Why is it so mind boggling that I would want to know how you made this determination?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:16 pm
by Ankamius
Oh good I'm glad people are seeing the same pattern I am
I assume it's the same pattern anyways, it's not a very complex thing
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:16 pm
by Allomancer
In post 932, Firebringer wrote: In post 929, Allomancer wrote:I'm sorry that I can't draw a line and say "50 shitposts is too many" or whatever. Its an innate feeling. And right you're far past that line, wherever it is.
Your fine mate, i appreciate you answering all my questions no matter how inane they appear.
I am going to go for a different angle here.
Do you expect, someone like me, to go far past any lines you have of shit posting because I don't care how much you find it annoying. Nor would that reflect my alignment. Or do you think I do it only as scum to clog the thread up?
I think it's not necessary something I see as scum doing intentionally as something I see town intentionally not doing. Scum doesn't really benefit that much from clogging the thread, but they also don't care about the thread being clogged.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:18 pm
by Allomancer
Been a while since my last readlist.
{the worst, Slaxx}
{Nancy Drew, Celica, Krazy}
{PvtUrist, Alisae, Ankamius, Dunnstral}
{Adelbert Steiner, Pink Ball, Clemency}
{Firebringer, Reinhardt}
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:21 pm
by Firebringer
In post 935, Allomancer wrote: In post 932, Firebringer wrote: In post 929, Allomancer wrote:I'm sorry that I can't draw a line and say "50 shitposts is too many" or whatever. Its an innate feeling. And right you're far past that line, wherever it is.
Your fine mate, i appreciate you answering all my questions no matter how inane they appear.
I am going to go for a different angle here.
Do you expect, someone like me, to go far past any lines you have of shit posting because I don't care how much you find it annoying. Nor would that reflect my alignment. Or do you think I do it only as scum to clog the thread up?
I think it's not necessary something I see as scum doing intentionally as something I see town intentionally not doing. Scum doesn't really benefit that much from clogging the thread, but they also don't care about the thread being clogged.
So you are saying if I was town here I wouldn't do this intentionally because of the harm. But my actions aren't scummy because it doesn't benefit me.
Ergo wouldn't this be a null read not a scum read?
Town doesn't do X
Scum doesn't benefit from X
Player is Scum. Even thought they do X and don't benefit from X.
I guess it follows sort of it you just take the definition of anything not Town is scum but you just argued it isn't like motivation wise scummy.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:25 pm
by Allomancer
Well it puts you at null-scum. There are other things that push you into the scum category. For example, this whole argument. Town doesn't benefit from arguing a read on them as much as scum does. Maybe I would townread you if you had spent this time you did arguing about my own read on you scumhunting instead.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:26 pm
by Slaxx
What, no one wants to talk about how this
In post 911, Slaxx wrote: In post 908, Krazy wrote: In post 901, Slaxx wrote:Actually only one. Which was Lovers.
Then the other was a hydra in lynchpin with Auro/Volxen/Me
you think this is about you lol
what do you expect, me to go [Slaxx is shit at playing scum!]
You have it backward; the point is that Dunn is really good at playing scum, and has also won this particular setup before (albeit without this coin nonsense)
Dunn is demonstrably a strong scum player and for that reason pairing a player that can be a consensus townread with him is dangerous. I was volunteering myself for Dunn precisely because I did not enter this game planning to be in a final pairing, and I doubt Dunn did either. Seemed like a good fit in that regard
Additionally, the point I was making was that you two should not pair right now. Given Celica JUST cased you, isn't there like, things to talk about right now? You're not even a consensus read at the moment so it's almost a non-issue, but you still shouldn't pair this early in the pre-dance.
We can talk about the case, sure.
It felt like you were claiming information on me you didn’t have, and when that happened, yes, it did become about me.
was responded to with an insult? We just ignoring it? What about that doesn't warrant a proper response? What about that question was so unfair to him he had to resort to throwing shade at my play?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:29 pm
by Krazy
what was my insult now lol
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:32 pm
by Slaxx
In post 933, Slaxx wrote: In post 875, Krazy wrote:
I kinda would like a bit more discussion before anyone who could plausibly be in the top 6 pairs first of all, which is probably the only reason I haven't offered yet
Beyond that, Dunn's BoP as scum is
significantly higher than yours
which would mean it would be much riskier to put you in the top 6
How do you make this decision when I have had only one game as scum here? That's what my concern is. It isn't about your actual rating of my play, and its not about me being with Dunn. I am zeroing in on this particular statement because you seem overconfident in this statement, and instead of working with me to sort it out, you deflect to how it isn't about me and then a dig at my play.
Why is it so mind boggling that I would want to know how you made this determination?
Let's talk about posts in the order they were presented. We can start here, and then move on to the insult.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:36 pm
by Dunnstral
I can see scum motivation in Krazy coming in and saying I'm good at scum to deter me from pairing with Slaxx and trying to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:38 pm
by Slaxx
In post 942, Dunnstral wrote:I can see scum motivation in Krazy coming in and saying I'm good at scum to deter me from pairing with Slaxx and trying to get people to agree on both pairings and lynch orders
Freaking.
Exactly.
We were fine until I start talking about one and all the sudden I can't get a straight answer out of him.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:39 pm
by Firebringer
In post 938, Allomancer wrote:Well it puts you at null-scum. There are other things that push you into the scum category. For example, this whole argument. Town doesn't benefit from arguing a read on them as much as scum does. Maybe I would townread you if you had spent this time you did arguing about my own read on you scumhunting instead.
I am just trying to understand your thought processes. Not arguing over what read you should have on me.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:42 pm
by Firebringer
Understanding people is hard and I am going to take a break from it. I am not patient enough to go through all your thoughts to understand everything.
I am leaning town on you now and that is fine for me for the next few days.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:43 pm
by Krazy
I'm okay with slaxx dancing with dunn so long as they both know they don't get in the final 4.
You asked if anyone thought it was a bad idea, I said so, and now you're throwing a little tantrum lol
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:43 pm
by Ankamius
Where are your reads at atm fire
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:44 pm
by Slaxx
In post 946, Krazy wrote:I'm okay with slaxx dancing with dunn so long as they both know they don't get in the final 4.
You asked if anyone thought it was a bad idea, I said so, and now you're throwing a little tantrum lol
You're still not answering the question. You are deflecting so damn hard right now.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:44 pm
by Krazy
In post 916, Krazy wrote:let's be real, lolwagons is a stronger player than slaxx
If this is the insult you're talking about you are definitely not getting in the final 4 anyway